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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Before I bring in Karen Hedge, I remind members that we are only on theme 1 of five, and we are now halfway through our time for this session. I have given theme 1 a good airing, because it is important to get a lot of things out early on, but I give a hint to members about succinct questions and maybe to witnesses about succinct answers.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Emma, you wanted to come in on something that Sandra MacLeod said.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Sandra, it would be helpful to hear your views on how things are working in Aberdeen city and what opportunities a care board might bring.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

The next item on our agenda is consideration of Scottish statutory instrument 2022/335, which is a negative instrument. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee considered the regulations at its meeting on 22 November and made no recommendation on them.

The purpose of the regulations is to ensure that overseas visitors from the Bailiwick of Guernsey and Malta will not be charged for certain treatment that is provided by health boards in Scotland, in accordance with reciprocal healthcare agreements.

No motion to annul has been lodged in relation to the instrument. As members have no comments, I propose that the committee makes no recommendation on it. Do members agree?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

You said that the system is working well where you are, and you will want to take that good practice into any new system. Are there opportunities for care boards to do things slightly differently or to do things that you would like to do but are unable to do now?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I know that people want to come in and add to that. I must go to questions from other members and move things along. I call Gillian Mackay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move on to an issue that we have skirted around throughout the morning, which is the sequencing of the legislation and the co-design process and how you want to see that work. I will go to James Dornan to start off questions on that theme.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Do you think that moving away from the time-and-task model has meant that fewer people are getting into crisis? It would be helpful if you could mention how your approach contributes to some of the lowest delayed-discharge figures in the country.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I hand over to Evelyn Tweed.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I want to respond to something that Margaret McCarthy has said a couple of times. Margaret, you said that, during the pandemic, staff had autonomy to make decisions based on client need without the system dictating what they should do and that they felt valued because they had that autonomy but that, since the pandemic, people feel less valued. Do you think that those two things go hand in hand? Has the system come back in and taken away the autonomy? How do you see the national care service being able to provide a framework so that the autonomy comes back and there are better outcomes for staff and the people they care for?