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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

We have 10 minutes left for our final theme. I know that we have talked a lot about co-design throughout the session, but Paul O’Kane and Evelyn Tweed have specific questions on the matter.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

It bears repeating. Paul, do you have any more questions before I hand over to Evelyn Tweed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Can I just follow up by asking Dr Gould a question? We totally appreciate everything that you have just said—[Interruption.] What would be your plea on making the co-design process that the Scottish Government wants to adopt accessible so that the views of people in your position in rural areas can be heard? [Interruption.]

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I want to follow that up. That comes back to your points about the charter having teeth, Hannah. You have mentioned other human rights legislation as the backdrop for quite a lot of those unmet rights.

Again, I am making a comment rather than asking a question, but I ask for your reflections on that. There is already legislation out there, and people have not felt that their rights have been met. I presume that the charter and the bill need to have something in them that allows people an avenue to question when their rights have not been met.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I will go to Dr Gould first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Are you happy to develop that point? What aspects would you like to see in the bill that are not already there? What aspects cannot wait until the co-design process?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Frank McKillop, as you were the first to mention self-directed support, we will come back to you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Good afternoon, and welcome to the 36th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I am delighted to hold our first external formal meeting of the parliamentary session in Glasgow. We are in the Quarrier centre in Govan.

I have received apologies from David Torrance. James Dornan will substitute for him.

A few of our members—Tess White, Sandesh Gulhane and Carol Mochan—are joining us virtually, as is James Dornan. The rest of us are here in person. It is great to be here.

The first item on our agenda is further consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We will hear evidence from two panels of witnesses.

I welcome our first panel. Clare Gallagher is a human rights officer for the Council of Ethnic Minority Voluntary Sector Organisations Scotland; Hannah Tweed is senior policy officer for the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland—the ALLIANCE; Don Williamson is chief executive of Shared Care Scotland; and Mhairi Wylie is chief officer for Highland Third Sector Interface and a member of the TSI Scotland Network. Joining us online, we have Karen Sheridan, who is chief operating officer for Community Integrated Care.

I will hand over to my colleague Sandesh Gulhane for the first question. It looks like he might have frozen. [Interruption.] We will try again. While Sandesh gets organised, I will ask the panel a question.

The bill has arisen largely from the “Independent Review of Adult Social Care in Scotland”, which is also known as the Feeley report. We have had Derek Feeley in front of us to talk about his thoughts on the bill. I ask all the witnesses for their views on whether the bill accurately reflects the review’s recommendations. Are any key recommendations from the review missing?

I will go to Mhairi Wylie first. You do not have to operate your microphone, Mhairi; that is done for you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

That is really good feedback for us to hear.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Gillian Martin

That is very helpful as a starting point.