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Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
I recognise that the committee wanted more detail on the taxonomy as a result of its discussions and the questions that were asked. After the climate change plan was published, we all went off to fight elections, but Phil’s team hit the ground running, so I will hand over to him.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
Maybe I could—sorry.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
I have a breakdown in front of me of the climate-positive spend in each portfolio, which I would be happy to share with the committee. On transport, the figure is £2.8 billion. For housing, it is just over £1 billion. That relates to the parts of that portfolio that involve work that is actively climate positive. I also have a breakdown of the numbers associated with my portfolio. Transport is the biggest area of spend; it is where the biggest opportunities are for decarbonisation. There is also budget associated with health and social care. I am happy to send that information on to the committee rather than reading out a lot of numbers. Phil Raines has more detail on that.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
I will take that away and look at it. I write to the committee on decisions that I make all the time. The committee is kind of my go-to, because the committee needs to know what I am up to in terms of the decisions that I make. It could be that, when I write to the committee on something that I am doing, we give the information about whether a net zero assessment has been carried out.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
I return to the point that I made in response to Ariane Burgess’s question: we must balance the resource that we have available to us with the outcome that we want. It is an interesting discussion to have, but I can immediately see issues with regard to complexity and the resources that would be taken from the teams that I am already asking a lot from in order to deliver on the policies that will get us to net zero.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
That is a good point.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
We will take that proposal away to get a better understanding of what people have said to the committee about it. The answer is that we do not know whether that is possible.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
The committee will have to invite in another minister to get an answer to that. The planning process already includes environmental impact assessments—Hannah Mary Goodlad has talked about the need for them in relation to data centres. The planning process already requires EIAs to be done for many proposals, and such assessments include information on the emissions that would be associated with particular planning decisions.
I am not being slopey shouldered, but that is an issue for the planning minister to think about. As we have seen in recent weeks, we are always having to look at the planning landscape to check whether it is fit for purpose as things develop. I guess that you are asking whether the assessment that is done in the planning process is match fit. I will pass on your comments to the planning minister.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
It has been confirmed in the past few weeks that environmental impact assessments will have to be carried out for data centre proposals, so, in effect, that has already been implemented.
Climate Action Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 8 October 2026
Gillian Martin
As Phil Raines alluded to, it is about priorities and choices. The Government has to consider its capacity to do things. Having a good taxonomy system is a good thing, but going into that level of detail is obviously quite resource intensive, so it is a question of choices and priorities.
In its budget scrutiny, the committee is placing a great deal of importance on the taxonomy. I think that that is right, and it is helpful, but that is not the only consideration when it comes to the budget. That is certainly not the only task that I ask my officials to do—I ask a lot of them. I am very much geared towards delivering our climate change policies and ensuring that my colleagues across the Government are delivering on their responsibilities associated with the climate change plan in order to, in the near term, meet our first carbon budget.
Yesterday, when I was in front of the Rural Affairs Committee, I made the general point that I am focused on delivery, not on creating bureaucracy or more reports, reviews, analysis or whatever for their own sake. That said, the review of the taxonomy will ensure that we get the right information, which will help with delivery, if you see what I mean.
We need to strike a balance, but I take your point. That is a consideration of mine. What does the committee want in terms of detail? You will have to strike a balance, too, in relation to what detail you need, because, if you ask the Government to give the Parliament details, that might take away resources from other things that will result in action.