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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned in your statement today the figure of a £70 million increase for colleges, and the convener has repeated that. Can you explain where that £70 million comes from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

It was not at all clear. Actually, it was impossible to work out—SPICe and I looked at the original figures and they just were not there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

One example from a few years ago is the family nurse partnership programme. That is perhaps more of a health thing, but if a kid gets a good start in life, it will affect them when they come to primary school, secondary school and so on.

Is it impossible or is it easy to split what is preventative spend from what is reactive spend? At primary school, to some extent, you are reacting to what has already happened to the kid before they got to school, but you are also preparing them for secondary school and beyond.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

There was no way that anyone could work out that £70 million figure until SPICe asked the Government to give an explanation.

I am not querying your figures. However, we used to think that there were two categories: resource spending and capital spending. Now, we have three categories: core capital, special capital and resource.

I accept that the Dunfermline learning campus was unusual—at £30-odd million, that is a big spend in the education budget. However, in terms of overall Government spend—it is spending £200 million on A9 for example—£30 million is not that big. On the £70 million figure, we are comparing the core capital and the resource against the core capital and the resource, and we are ignoring the Dunfermline campus.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

Okay. I think that I have given that enough of a shot. However, I make the comment that I still find it odd that, everywhere else, there is just one figure for capital, whereas here a split seems to have been made between core capital and other capital. I find that very strange.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

Mr O’Kane asked about longer-term issues, and I want to build on that by focusing on preventative spend. At one point, there was a commitment that, from 2030, 5 per cent of community-based health and social care spend would be on preventative measures. I think that that was in the 2021-22 programme for government. I do not expect the ministers who are here today to be all over the finance side, but the Finance and Public Administration Committee got a response from the Government that said:

“we are testing a budget tagging method for tracking preventative spend across the Scottish budget.”

Will you comment on preventative spend and say how you are looking at that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

The question therefore is: why was that not in the figures that the Government published? When you look at the Government budget on page 61, it is clear that the capital budget was higher last year and has fallen. Obviously, that included the Dunfermline campus.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

To be gentle about it, I will say that that is spin. To be a little harsher, it is bending the truth, because the reality is that the total funding going into colleges is only increasing by £40 million this year, not by £70 million. Is that not correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

I will make one more attempt. If we take the total figure—the DLC fund and all the other college budgets—and compare the two years, the budget is going up by £40 million. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

John Mason

Thank you very much.