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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

On public sector pay, there is the whole question of the 9 per cent uplift target. Quite a lot of that has gone in the first two years. What are your expectations around that?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

The committee is very keen on zero-based budgeting, although I am not quite as committed to it as other committee members. I understand that it is quite a resource-intensive process, and you need accountants and other people to do it. If you are going to strip everything right back and look at everything again, that is a costly process. It takes resources, does it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

The problem that I have with zero-based budgeting is that we have certain major assets, such as hospitals, which I presume we will carry on with, so there is no point in taking everything back to zero. However, there are some areas that we can look at more than others.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

I have just one area to ask about, which is public inquiries. As you probably know, the committee did an inquiry into inquiries and published a report. My question is whether timescales and budgets can be controlled. A specific case is that when the UK Government launched its inquiry into what are commonly called grooming gangs—networks of child sexual abuse and exploitation—it put a budget and time limit on it, but the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills was not keen to do the same for Scotland. Can you clarify the legal position and what powers we have in that space?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

I presume that, if inflation looks unpredictable, the trade unions and others will not be keen on multiyear settlements, because they will not know—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

That takes me on to another question. Can we expect efficiency savings to be evenly distributed across the board? We have an increasingly elderly population, so we need more people on the social care side rather than fewer. The police and fire services had a major reform, which I supported, and that has been good. Their argument might be that they have had a major reform, so it is now up to other sectors to have major reforms.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

You used the word “front-line” twice, and the convener mentioned it before. Does that mean that all the accountants will lose their jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

You have already been asked about the MIM and the idea of revenue-based investment. I was in Glasgow City Council when we did the schools PFI programme. That was presented as the only game in town, but, when we look back on it, we see that it has been incredibly expensive, although, as you have pointed out, we got the schools quicker. If we had used traditional funding, we would have had to wait longer for the schools. I accept that there is a challenge in that, but I remain sceptical and think that we are going to pay over the odds.

In a way, all these things are just devices to get round the fixed borrowing limits. I do not understand why Westminster sets those limits when, in effect, it can borrow as much as it wants.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

I know. It is easy to look back at PFI and say what a bad deal it was, but, at the time, we thought that we were getting a better deal. Glasgow followed Falkirk, so we tried to learn from its mistakes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

John Mason

I will not spend too long on this, but the accounting rules have changed. PFI was a device to get around the borrowing limits. The rules have now changed and we have a whole range of different funding models. I accept that those models allow us to get the asset more quickly, but it feels to me as though future generations will be paying more for the asset than they would if we could borrow the money for it.