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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

It sounds good to have a bit more informal contact, understanding, relationships and all that kind of stuff. However, the reporter will still have to write a report, will they not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I have a slightly wider question on the bill’s financial memorandum. Pam Duncan-Glancy and others have touched on aspects of that already.

As I understand it, the three big bits of money are for extending aftercare, for increasing advocacy services and for children’s hearings, the latter of which is primarily about paying the chairs.

How comfortable are you with the figures? I am looking at the final column, covering the year 2029-30, by which time everything should have settled down and stabilised. There is a figure of £7.4 million for aftercare. However, there seem to be a lot of questions about how much aftercare will be needed, because we cannot predict the demand. Similarly, there is between £5.3 million and £7.2 million for advocacy services. How certain are you of those figures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Can you clarify what figures the local authorities gave you? Did they represent what they currently spend on aftercare or what they think they might spend on it in future?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

We have had evidence to suggest that the area of grounds hearings and the role of the reporter is becoming quite complex. Sheriff Mackie said that grounds hearings can become very difficult and confrontational and that cases in which grounds are not opposed would best be dealt with by a system that was more administrative, which would avoid the need for a hearing. Do you agree? Is that a possibility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Sheriff Mackie said that the bill stops short of introducing a more administrative system, and, instead, reinforces the existing system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I am not expecting you to know how many people are going to need or ask for aftercare, but I suggest that that is a very uncertain figure. Do you agree?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I will leave it at that, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I suppose that we all have some of the public inquiries on our minds. If, for example, the chair of a public inquiry gets too close to one party or another, there can be at least the perception of a problem. That is perhaps what is being flagged up here: that the reporter could be swayed or something.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

As far as I can see, Sheriff Mackie, who is the expert on some of this, is struggling to understand how what you are proposing will work, and the rest of us are definitely struggling with that, too.

With regard to the role of the reporter, it has been suggested that there could be a conflict of interests for the reporter in meeting the child or the family earlier on than is presently the case. One witness suggested that the child might incriminate themselves if they meet the reporter earlier on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Is it just advocacy, or would there be a need for legal representation in some cases?