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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

How do we overcome the risks? Is it simply by just moving very slowly?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

The previous panel seemed to feel that we were further on than that and that we actually knew more about the fostering side of things than we did about the residential side.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Okay. My final question is about the financial memorandum as a whole. On the specific point about profit limitation in residential services, I see that there is a cost to the Scottish Administration in 2026-27 and 2027-28—and then nothing at all after that. That surprises me a little bit, because surely there would need to be on-going supervision. What are your feelings about the financial memorandum? Is it a bit light, as I think the previous panel suggested? Is that your feeling, too?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

You heard what I said in the debate last night, minister. It seems to me that, compared with other bills, this one is all about money—money is central, whereas we sometimes have members’ bills in which money is more at the periphery.

I am interested in the pilot, but we do not have time to go into that today. My question is whether there is room for compromise. If the Government has £5 million or £6 million available, could that money not be used to top up what is presently happening? Lots of parents can afford to pay and are paying for their kids to go. It seems to me that the real problem is whether we can get money to the families and the kids who cannot afford to go. That £5 million or £6 million would make a huge difference. I accept that it would have to be every year and not just for one year.

Could the Government make some kind of offer to put in £5 million to £6 million every year for 10 years or whatever, on the condition that Liz Smith pulls her bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I will start with a question for Ms Duncan. If you want to refer it to anyone else, that is okay.

I want to discuss the whole issue of excessive profits in the sector, especially when it comes to residential care. Do you think that excessive profits are being made? Do you think that what the bill proposes, which I think is to give Government the power to do something, not to actually do something, is reasonable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Can I just interrupt you? Surely that is true of the whole public sector. No company—whether it is building a bridge across the Forth or anything else—should be making excessive profits, because that also takes money away from kids, schools and so on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

It is helpful to understand that.

I will ask a round-up question, because I do not think that anyone is asking about the financial memorandum as a whole. It says that, once things settle down in 2029-30, we are talking about between £20 million and £23 million a year. A big chunk of that is aftercare—I accept that you do not like that term—and some of it is for chairing and running the hearings; the third aspect is advocacy. Do you think that, overall, that is a reasonable figure, or it is seriously over or under the actual cost?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I will move to asking about money, profit and that side of things. Ms Burns, you made the longest of all the contributions that I saw on that issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I should add that you were thorough, so I will start with you.

First, do we have enough data? Do we know what profits are being made? What are your general thoughts on that? Are profits always bad?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Can you expand on that? Do we know why the provision suddenly appeared after not being spoken about beforehand?