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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

John Mason

I have one final area that I want to touch on. The Finance and Public Administration Committee has been focusing on public sector reform, and I think that Ivan McKee is leading on that.

Do you have any thoughts about public sector reform in the education sector? Given that we cannot change the pupil to teacher ratio and so on, is reform more difficult in the education sector? Is there scope to bring in artificial intelligence or that kind of thing, so that one teacher can help more kids?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Although we might improve outcomes a bit, does public service reform basically mean cutting jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Paragraph 14 of your report says that

“the Scottish Government risks overspending against its budget”

but, legally, the Scottish Government cannot overspend against its budget or, at least, against its income. What do you mean by that? The reality is that, by hook or by crook, the Government has to balance its budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Do you accept that that is quite difficult for the Government? Even if it does emergency planning a year ahead, there is still a limited number of spaces where it can save money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

One of the themes of your report, which comes up quite a lot, is that the Government is reacting to events and does not have a longer-term plan. However, is there not a certain inevitability of that happening in Scotland? For example, the UK Government came in and suddenly introduced a pay increase that was higher than we had previously expected as well as a national insurance increase. Those are events that most of us had not anticipated. What is the Government to do? Surely it simply has to react in the short term.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Even if we had a medium-term or a long-term or a whatever-number-of-years strategy or plan, it would simply all get thrown by some kind of Westminster decision, such as that on national insurance. I begin to wonder what the point of saying, “This is what we are going to do in 2030,” is, when so many things could happen between now and then. Are we being unrealistic in expecting medium and longer-term planning?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Maybe I am not putting it very clearly. It seems to me that there is a tension between longer-term planning and commitments on the one hand, which, in a sense, tie the Government’s hands, and on the other, doing short-term things that do not tie our hands, which is a more flexible approach, but is less helpful to the third sector and local government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I turn to public sector reform. In paragraph 105 you say that public sector reform requires “significant investment”. There is the example of Registers of Scotland, which will be coming up, among others, in the next evidence session. Registers of Scotland seems to have managed to reform, digitise, do a lot of that kind of stuff and save on 10 per cent of its jobs—all without extra investment. It has just done that as part of its routine working. Is that possible on a bigger scale?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I did not ask any questions about the instrument, because I really think that the measure is self-evidently a good thing. It will, I hope, raise revenue and help first-time buyers. It just seems absolutely the right thing to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

As I understand it, someone in Ayrshire who may need a particular procedure that cannot be done locally would go to Glasgow. In a sense, that system is working at the moment, so there may not be a lot of space for reform. You have mentioned AI. I understood from your submission and other papers that there is a bit of a barrier to some things because different health boards are doing things differently.