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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
They did not.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Would you say that you were somebody who deals with detail, or are you more about the big picture?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
So when they formed a view that the university was a going concern through to July 2025, that came from other people. They were forming that view.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
We got the impression that there were some long-term sickness and other issues, so the department felt under pressure. If the finance director had wanted one or two more staff for the finance department, how would they have gone about that? Would they have come to you or the chief operating officer? How would that have worked?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
If the finance director had been working in the evening or at weekends because they were under pressure, would you have known about that? Would you have picked up on that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
I accept that we all have the benefit of hindsight now, but given the urgency of the situation, other universities seem to have been a bit quicker at making people redundant, even though they have been criticised for doing so. You have made the point that all universities have been facing these challenges, and I accept that, too, but Dundee seems to have been very slow compared to others in making redundancies.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Yes, but you did not see them first, or discuss them first.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Finally, covenants have been mentioned a lot, and Professor Gillies has put a big emphasis on them. I wonder how you thought of covenants. When a lot of businesses and organisations sign up to a loan agreement with a bank, they do not read all the small print, which is where the covenants are. It is like when most of us buy an insurance policy; we do not read the small print and, lo and behold, sometimes it comes back to bite us. Is that kind of the way that you and others approached the covenants?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Can you give us a picture of the situation when decisions were made on capital expenditure or the staffing position? Was there a lot of challenge? Was there a big debate? Did the finance director come to you and say, “We have to make more cuts more urgently,” or did the chair of court say, “We need to be more urgent about this?” Alternatively, was the situation broadly that there was agreement and things drifted along?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Do you think that all of them had been slightly overpromoted?