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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Yes. Do you interact with the external auditors at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Can you say anything about what Ernst & Young said, or is that confidential?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

The accounts talk about the identified key risks and mention the five top ones, which are cybersecurity, student experience, staff experience, research excellence and financial sustainability. I have to say that the descriptions are quite vague. Under student experience, it says that bad student experience could go on to mean a reduction in student recruitment, but student recruitment was not one of the top risks. Do you look at those identified key risks and assess them in some way, or do you challenge them or accept them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Is the audit taking longer this year because of the problems?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

That is appreciated.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

I was going to ask whether any of you were there at that time. I presume that the auditors do not come out with a statement like that out of the blue. They will have discussed it with you or your predecessors. I presume that, in December 2023, you were convinced that it was a going concern.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Thank you. The accounts talk about the committees, including a finance and policy committee and an audit and risk committee. I assume that there are similar committees now. Could they have been very thorough in their questioning, if what happened was such a surprise last autumn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Could you expand on that a little bit? Were you actually given false accounts, or was it more that the commentary was misleading?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Okay. I saw one amount in particular—a spin-out of £40 million, which was being held separately. Is that correct? It was included in the £74 million, but it was going to be used for strategic investment. Has that £40 million been used, or is it still there?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

I think that you have said already that you were looking at quarterly accounts but that you now get monthly accounts from Dundee.