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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I turn to Ms Nisbet or Ms Thompson. I have to say that I am getting worried by some of these remarks. We will have to wait for the Government to respond to a consultation that closes on 6 October, but the parliamentary session finishes at the end of March. Things are getting quite tight, are they not, Ms Nisbet?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

What about you, Ms Thompson?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

A linked issue is that of foster care and the idea that the organisations involved in that work should be charities, which is a slightly different approach. Again—and this is perhaps a question for Ms Burns—is it sensible to have a different approach for fostering?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Ms Galli, do you want to comment? The others are nodding but I could not see you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

So, you are not against profit to some extent; you are against excessive profit.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Yes, and that does not appear in the bill or in other relevant documents yet.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Is there evidence, either in Scotland or in England or Wales or elsewhere, that private organisations that are run for profit give a lower level of care than charities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

So, in a sense, you are arguing that what happens to the profit is more important than whether there is a profit or not, and that a non-profit-distributing or charity model is better.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Sorry, but I think that those definitions are a key point in this.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I will probably explore that with other witnesses in the future.

We are dealing with the idea that the fostering agencies would definitely be a charity, whereas we would need to look at residential care a bit more. Is that a reasonable approach? Should the two be treated more similarly?