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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
John Mason
Again, I agree with all your arguments, which are all well put. Clearly, if we can help people, then their health improves and there is not the same pressure elsewhere. However, I still wonder—as, I think, the committee does—whether we are getting the balance right in all of this. We call it capping, rationing or whatever. If people need hip replacements or want to get into a care home, they have to wait for quite a long time. The fact that there is a cap means that there is a limit to those budgets and that we can spend only so much on operations, care homes, nursing staff and all those things. However, there seems to be no cap on this budget. I understand that it is demand led, but must it increase by inflation every year, for example? I realise that, if it did not, people would be less well off, but would that not be one way of controlling the expense?
12:30Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
How do we overcome the risks? Is it simply by just moving very slowly?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
The previous panel seemed to feel that we were further on than that and that we actually knew more about the fostering side of things than we did about the residential side.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
Okay. My final question is about the financial memorandum as a whole. On the specific point about profit limitation in residential services, I see that there is a cost to the Scottish Administration in 2026-27 and 2027-28—and then nothing at all after that. That surprises me a little bit, because surely there would need to be on-going supervision. What are your feelings about the financial memorandum? Is it a bit light, as I think the previous panel suggested? Is that your feeling, too?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
You heard what I said in the debate last night, minister. It seems to me that, compared with other bills, this one is all about money—money is central, whereas we sometimes have members’ bills in which money is more at the periphery.
I am interested in the pilot, but we do not have time to go into that today. My question is whether there is room for compromise. If the Government has £5 million or £6 million available, could that money not be used to top up what is presently happening? Lots of parents can afford to pay and are paying for their kids to go. It seems to me that the real problem is whether we can get money to the families and the kids who cannot afford to go. That £5 million or £6 million would make a huge difference. I accept that it would have to be every year and not just for one year.
Could the Government make some kind of offer to put in £5 million to £6 million every year for 10 years or whatever, on the condition that Liz Smith pulls her bill?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
I will start with a question for Ms Duncan. If you want to refer it to anyone else, that is okay.
I want to discuss the whole issue of excessive profits in the sector, especially when it comes to residential care. Do you think that excessive profits are being made? Do you think that what the bill proposes, which I think is to give Government the power to do something, not to actually do something, is reasonable?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
Can I just interrupt you? Surely that is true of the whole public sector. No company—whether it is building a bridge across the Forth or anything else—should be making excessive profits, because that also takes money away from kids, schools and so on.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
It is helpful to understand that.
I will ask a round-up question, because I do not think that anyone is asking about the financial memorandum as a whole. It says that, once things settle down in 2029-30, we are talking about between £20 million and £23 million a year. A big chunk of that is aftercare—I accept that you do not like that term—and some of it is for chairing and running the hearings; the third aspect is advocacy. Do you think that, overall, that is a reasonable figure, or it is seriously over or under the actual cost?
10:45Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
I will move to asking about money, profit and that side of things. Ms Burns, you made the longest of all the contributions that I saw on that issue.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
John Mason
I should add that you were thorough, so I will start with you.
First, do we have enough data? Do we know what profits are being made? What are your general thoughts on that? Are profits always bad?