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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I am not quite sure what you are referring to. The Public Audit Committee has done some work on this issue, too, and I note that, in a letter that it wrote to our committee, it talks about

“a national data summit”

taking place

“this calendar year”.

Is that the event that you have just referred to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Forgive me for interrupting, cabinet secretary. I am with you on the view that having the public inquiry is worth while, but other countries are able to have much quicker public inquiries at a lower cost. For example, Sweden’s public inquiry on Covid finished in 2022 and cost £2 million. There seems to be a problem in the UK and Scotland in that, when we have a public inquiry, it goes on for ever and costs an absolute fortune.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Ross Greer and I are both members of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which has recently been considering whether public inquiries are cost-effective and so on. Professor Jay, are there terms of reference for the review that you are carrying out? Is there a budget? Is there a timescale?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I think that I was there a bit before you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

It is also used to dealing with autistic kids. It is hugely impressive to have two staff to one pupil, but that does not happen in mainstream schools. The other angle to that was that we asked the staff at Donaldson’s whether they could go out and train some of the mainstream schools, because they have a specialism, but they said that they had never been asked to do that. What happens locally does not seem to be very joined up with the national facilities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Cabinet secretary, I gather that you were at another committee earlier, so you might have missed my question to Professor Jay. I will ask you a similar question, based on the fact that the Finance and Public Administration Committee has recently been looking at public inquiries and their cost effectiveness, given that some inquiries take an extremely long time and cost a lot of money. You said earlier today that you are keen on pace of change.

First, will you explain how the whole process will work? There will be a review involving Professor Jay. Is there a timescale for the review? Is there a budget for it? Is one of the options that there might then be a public inquiry?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

The wording is that they have to “avoid any unnecessary cost”, but that can mean anything.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

John Mason

That is helpful. On the Scottish figures, you said that you have been looking at the Scottish spending review and that there is a suggestion that there will have to be trade-offs between the four key priorities of the Government: poverty, climate change, economic growth and effective public services. Will you explain why there might need to be a trade-off?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

John Mason

Are they also tending to increase their taxes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

John Mason

Good line.

Like most of the western countries, we have an ageing population. Apart from anything else, that would lead us to expect to see public expenditure to increase over time, would it not?