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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

You said that all the different parties have to have lawyers. I wonder whether that is the case. Could we have a more inquisitorial approach and a less confrontational approach in public inquiries? I am also on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, which is looking into children’s hearings. There is a strong argument to be made that an inquisitorial approach should be taken in that system, with information being found out by asking the children and the families, rather than by the two parties having lawyers. Do you think that we could have public inquiries without having lawyers on both sides?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

I am sorry—can they not represent themselves?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

But we are considering changing the statutory requirements, so none of that is fixed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

You say that participants should be properly heard, and I agree with that, but I get constituents who, if I let them, would speak to me for five hours on their housing needs, their medical needs or whatever. I just do not have that time, and I have to restrict the time that they have to speak to me. I get the main points, they get a bit longer to explain the situation and then I have to draw the discussion to a close. A general practitioner gives people eight or 10 minutes. Should there not be a bit more control, so that the participants and the lawyers do not get to speak for as long as they want to?

I am an accountant, and audits have to be done in a certain time. You do the best that you can in three months for a million pounds or whatever the cost to do that might be. Could we not go down that route?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

I hear what you are saying, and I realise that that is what is happening at the moment. We are trying to explore whether there is a better or different way of doing it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

It is good for us to hear a range of evidence. I accept that.

One of your suggestions is that the victims or people who are affected should be satisfied by the inquiry or should get closure, or however you want to describe it. You have been involved in four public inquiries. Have you found that all the victims have been satisfied by the procedures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

Were all those in relation to the ICL Stockline inquiry satisfied?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

—although not in the same way as if we had been in the hospital. The trams cost about £500 million, so we all paid about £100 each for them, so we are victims. However, as a victim of the tram project, I do not feel particularly helped by the inquiry taking so long.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

I take your point that a major decision is made when a minister agrees to a public inquiry. It just seems that, once such a decision has been made, it is a bit of an open field. I know that you do not like the term “blank cheque”. However, I asked one of the previous witnesses, Lord Hardie, what he would do if we gave him £5 million for two years and asked him to give us the best result he could in that time. He said that he would not do it. Others have said that they would. Would you agree with him?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

For the trams, it might have been.