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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Is it the case that those staff are in a poorer scheme and would be moving to a better one, which means that there would be more costs in future? Is there also a backdating element?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Thanks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Has that been the problem for the SFC in the past? Has it just not had the resources to do the work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I will follow on from Willie Rennie’s line of questioning. In its submission, Skills Development Scotland specifically said:

“the SFC is empowered to fund apprenticeships, however it is not legally required to do so”.

There is a concern that it could go either way: the SFC might focus too much on colleges and universities and not enough on apprenticeships, or vice versa. Does there need to be something in the bill—such as ring-fenced money—to direct the SFC a bit more in that regard, or can we leave it to the SFC to get it right in the doing, as you said?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Thanks. Ms Reid, do you have anything to say on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Does the SFC have sufficient powers, or is it more a question of how it uses the powers? The Educational Institute of Scotland feels that the SFC has not used its powers as much as it could have done. Is that more about attitude and culture?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

The problem is that if they are autonomous and make the wrong decisions, they come back to us and want to be bailed out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

On the risk-based approach, it is common for auditors in business and in all sorts of areas of life to focus more on risky subjects than on less risky ones. For starters, would the member not accept that that is quite a good principle? Secondly, can he tell us how many inspections there are at the moment, how many there would be under his plan and whether there is any costing of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I asked the member about the frequency of inspections. I stand to be corrected, but my understanding is that there are about 250 inspections a year now and that his proposal would take that number up to 800, which is three times as many inspections as there are at present. There would be quite a cost to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Stephen Kerr mentions the reality that the inspector might find. Can that be objectively measured, and how would the inspector do that? They might speak to the trade union representative, who might say, "Oh, morale is terrible," but I presume that they would have to do something more than that.