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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

I suppose that that goes back to the culture, which Pam Duncan-Glancy asked about. Is that what we are really looking for, rather than legislation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland has its own particular angle on things, but it says that the proposals

“simply slot children into an adult-centred governance structure in a way which is tokenistic”,

rather than having children at the centre of things. How do you respond to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

You used the phrase “open system”. That sounds more like a description of an attitude or an ethos for the organisations than something that we would put in legislation, because it is quite difficult to say, “There will be an open system.” For example, the Royal Scottish Geographical Society talks about taking on board the views of different groups. That suggests that the groups would not necessarily be on the board or the committee, but there would be a listening attitude.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

It is helpful to have that clarified, as I was slightly confused. That is fine.

Can you expand on your thinking with regard to only one body making awards? As an outsider—I am new to the committee and my background is not in education—I think that it looks like as much of a natural monopoly as, say, supplying water. In other words, there is no point in competition. What is your feeling about the good of competition in this respect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

I will continue on the theme of representation and how people’s voices are heard. In the material that we have received, we have the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland saying that children should be more involved, the Educational Institute of Scotland saying that there should be a majority of teachers and lecturers on some of the bodies, and employers saying that they want to be involved. It just seems endless. You must have had some experience of that when you were doing your work and listening to people. Before we discuss what is going to happen, will you tell us a little about how you managed to listen to all those voices?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

At the same time, however, they are not the experts. You and others have huge experience and you draw on the history of education for centuries. Surely children cannot be in that position and make the decisions. When I was at school, for example, I would have been very happy to have had no exams, but if there had been no exams, I would have learned virtually nothing, because I would not have had that driver. Is it, again, a question of listening to children, rather than their making the decisions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

John Mason

You mentioned business and employers. Is it, again, the case that their voices should be heard, rather than their being on the board?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

You are kind of underlining my point. If, for the next few years, the UK Government was to give a 5 per cent pay increase to everyone, we would be under huge pressure to do the same. If it gave 2 per cent, as had been thought, it would be different. It is almost impossible for us to plan further ahead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

I do not know whether either of the others wants to come in on that point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

That is another issue.