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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Good advert—thank you. I will back that up.

My final point is about the financial memorandum as a whole. You have been asked specifically about advocacy and other things. The three big areas that are covered in the financial memorandum are extending aftercare, the advocacy service and paying the chairs of the hearings, which I am not touching on—we will assume that that figure is fairly fixed.

The committee will have to write a report. What will we say in that report? Will we say that the costs in the financial memorandum are definitely too low and should be double or three times as much, or should we just say that we do not know what the costs of all this will be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

We do not know how much each one is going to cost, do we?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

So perhaps it is impossible to have a financial memorandum.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

In some circles, social workers are seen as compromised and not really independent because they are paid by the local authority and, therefore, part of their remit is to please the local authority. Are the two roles not separate? The social worker tries to work out the best result within the budget, and the advocate says, “Well, this may not be possible, but this is what the young person really wants.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

As I said, that was just an aside.

Mr Savege, I want to ask you about something that you said a couple of times, which was about the danger of overlegislating. I wonder whether we could explore that, because I agree that we should not legislate in areas that we do not need to. If things work well, that is great, but even if 90 per cent of care-experienced young people have a good experience, how do we, as a Parliament, improve the system for the remaining 10 per cent without legislating?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Are they making too much profit?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Does anyone have those figures, or are we in the dark?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I think that Mr Berry wanted to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Do you think that dealing with fostering agencies differently from residential care providers is justified?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Would it be a concern if people started walking away from the sector?