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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

Yes. The committee as a whole accepts that there is a lot going on. Therefore, the question is what difference the bill will make and what more, or what different things, will happen.

I will ask you about one other point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

Is that part of the problem at the moment—that people are engaged a bit but they just do not feel it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

Does Ms McManus want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

Do the other two witnesses want to come in on the point about interest committees?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

If there is a majority of teachers, that means that every other group—learners, parents and taxpayers—are all in a minority. They are effectively excluded, are they not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

I picked up on your point about teachers being advocates of learners and young people. However, surely if we are going to have two interest committees, they need to be different. If the teachers dominate both, that would not be right, would it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

Therefore, how will those different organisations or groups change how things work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

So the fact that the interest committees exist will be in legislation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

However, that will not automatically mean that the rest of qualifications Scotland—be that the board or anyone else—will necessarily take more into account than has happened in the past. It is more about culture, attitude and ethos, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

John Mason

To be fair, we stopped doctors running hospitals some time ago, because it was not working.