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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

That leads on to what I was thinking of asking you about. Is it a disadvantage that judges are used to court cases that can go on and on for ever? I should say that I am also an accountant. Lawyers, in my opinion, do not seem to operate within timescales. It will take them as long as it takes. We had the impression from the Australian witness that the royal commissions become like courtrooms. There are lawyers supporting the victims. There are lawyers supporting the police. There are lawyers everywhere. Is that a downside, that too many lawyers are involved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

I am also thinking about who is chairing or whatever. Obviously, you need a person as a chair, but we have the impression that both Australia and Sweden often have a panel or a group or however they describe it, that would include experts or different people who are interested. We seem to be very focused on having one person. The problem with that is that, if the one person resigns, we are back to square one—I do not know where we go. That is happening. Have you views on that? Should the chairing of an inquiry be focused on one person?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

I understand that, in both Sweden and Australia, commissions have a number of people on them, not just one chair. Our tendency is to have one chair who does everything. Is having more people on a commission an advantage? We had the example from Australia, I think, of where of a commission was split, so it may not have been helpful there, but do you feel that having a group of people as the commission is better than having one person?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

When the proposals come up, if I understand this correctly, they get circulated around a number of bodies and those bodies can then respond. The suggestion is that, if a lot are negative, the Government might not go ahead with it. Is it always the case that the final proposal is put out for consultation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

I fear that that is where we are at the moment.

In answer to Liz Smith, you talked about building trust in institutions. You are a little bit more optimistic than I am. I am not sure whether that is even possible, because we have social media nowadays. I know that, in the past, newspapers and other things were always undermining institutions, but there was so much negative stuff, even to the extent that Covid did not exist and all that sort of thing. Is it possible to build up public trust or do we have to accept that trust is falling and, even if standards stay the same, there will be more demand for inquiries, blame, vengeance and all those things?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

Thanks very much, both of you. That was helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

Thanks—that is also helpful.

As I understand it, most inquiries in Sweden—and it is the same in Norway—take place in private, not public. Professor Dahlström, can you tell us why that is the case and whether you feel that it is an advantage or a disadvantage?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

Maybe I can press you on that a little bit. For example, one of the big aims of the Covid inquiry here has been to allow victims, such as family members who lost somebody in a care home, to have the opportunity to speak and share their experience and all that kind of thing. Would that aspect be public in Sweden?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

Thank you for all the evidence so far. It has been most interesting.

If I may start with yourself, Professor Dahlström, I was interested that there was general public acceptance of the Coronavirus Commission and its results—and it was incredibly quick. It started, as I understand it, in June 2020 and completed in February 2022, which was under two years, and cost very little money.

Sweden was very interesting and a lot of people here felt that we should be copying Sweden, instead of the people that we did copy. In one sense, what your country did was quite controversial and yet the inquiry happened very quickly. Was it too quick? Would there have been an advantage if it had either started a bit later or gone on a bit longer?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

John Mason

Thanks. That is helpful.

Dr Prasser, is it the same in Australia? Is having a group of people rather than just one person the norm?