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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

I have picked that up before now.

Finally, if the proposal was going to cost £30 million, would it offer value for money? The convener already asked you, Mr Campbell but I do not think that we heard from Ms Manson or Ms Currie. We are uncertain about the cost but if it was going to cost £30 million, do you think that the change and the benefits that we might get from the bill are value for money?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

That was helpful from both of you. I know that none of you is particularly enthusiastic about the plans anyway, but at what level do they become not worth while? It seems to me that there will be a lot of change and, hopefully, in the long run there will be improvements in the whole system. In the short run, however, there is just a big cost for no great benefit in year 1 or 2. If the one-off cost was £30 million, as has been suggested, is that prohibitive? Based on the cost itself, is it worth going ahead?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

That is helpful because that was my next question. I am interested in others’ views as well. Although the number of people involved is quite large, the money going into apprenticeships is much smaller. Is there a danger that, in the future SFC, apprenticeships will be sidelined?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Mr Campbell, you seemed to say to Bill Kidd that there was a bit of a danger in splitting up SDS. Is part of the answer to completely merge SDS and the SFC and so save on a public body? Some of us would quite like to see a simplified landscape.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Do non-university training providers ever go bust?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

If a provider was struggling, would SDS pick that up?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Some people will definitely transfer, because 100 per cent of their job is in that area. Some people definitely will not transfer. Presumably, there is a grey area in the middle.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

The convener mentioned pay policy. There was criticism previously that you had not spelled out your pay policy. This year, you did—from memory, it is 9 per cent over three years or 3 per cent for one year, but the national health service has quickly settled for a two-year deal of 4.25 per cent and then 3.75 per cent. Where are we going with this? It seems that the pay policy sets a basis for discussion but that people then negotiate beyond that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

I think that, when they do a bit of pre-budget scrutiny and report back, some committees wonder whether it really has an impact on the Government. However, linked to that, there is the idea that committees should look at financial matters throughout the year, which, I presume, would have an impact. Can you say something about the impact that committees are having on the Government in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

I declare an interest in that I am a chartered accountant. I think that some of my colleagues charge by the hour.

I was going to draw a kind of comparison. A company’s accounts have to be audited, and I think that most people would say that, although auditors get it wrong at times, they are independent. However, the financial arrangements for companies are very different. There is a legal requirement for financial accounts to be submitted, usually within nine months or thereabouts, and audited. In the case of banks, the timeframe is even shorter than that. I come from that background and might be biased, but do you think that there is scope for an audit of a public inquiry? That would still be independent. You spoke about finding the balance between independence and controls. Could the legal side learn from the accountancy side?