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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

We will be going into this with Kate Forbes later, but, yes, it would be an issue. However, I do not think that the programme for government referred to the national performance framework.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

I will build on what the previous two questioners asked.

From listening to the evidence, I think that one issue seems to be that the national performance framework is so general. We are going up from 11 to 13 outcomes and, as you said, cabinet secretary, there can be clashes between different outcomes. I wonder whether that is part of the problem.

Does the national performance framework help us in making day-to-day decisions? I asked Shona Robison a similar question in the previous evidence session. If we have a limited capital budget and if we have to choose between roads and houses, or anything else, does the national performance framework help us to make that kind of decision? Alternatively, is it just a question of saying, “Houses are good, roads are good—so whatever”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

“Cognisant” is an interesting word. There is also the phrase “having regard to”. Some people feel that those phrases are too weak and that we should really have something that is a bit stronger. It has also been said that, so far, the approach has been more carrot than stick. Should we have a bit more stick or apply a bit more pressure on people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

I will begin by picking up on a couple of points that have been made already. Liz Smith said a lot about the competitiveness of the tax strategy. When we talk about that, can we look at tax on its own or do we also have to look at the spending side and at the things that that tax enables us to do, such as providing free university tuition, having no prescription charge, providing bus passes and so on? I presume that we are also competing with countries such as Denmark, which have higher taxation and better public services.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

Ross Greer touched on the subject of council tax. I take your point about not wanting to make dramatic changes, but do you accept that people living in poorer areas have tended to lose out because their houses have gone up less in value while houses belonging to people living in richer areas have gone up more, and that a revaluation would therefore hit the richer and help the poorer?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

John Mason

We have mentioned capital debt already. I understand that, by the end of 2025-26, our debt will be about £2.7 billion, which is approaching the upper limit. Is that going to be a problem?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

John Mason

I am sorry to keep on interrupting you, but is “influence” a word that we could put in legislation? That would be quite difficult, would it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

John Mason

Okay. Some of my colleagues may come back on that, but that is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

John Mason

Can you give us a little flavour of that? You used the word “engage”, which can mean quite a lot of things. Do you just sit down and have a friendly chat, or do you really challenge the SQA quite hard? How does it work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

John Mason

I will start with Ms Farr, and then I have another question for everybody.

You have said that you are dissatisfied with the current system and how much children are involved, and so on, but you also said that there has been some improvement. Could you explain a bit more about your role in that? Have you been challenging schools and the SQA?