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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Can I just interrupt you? Surely that is true of the whole public sector. No company—whether it is building a bridge across the Forth or anything else—should be making excessive profits, because that also takes money away from kids, schools and so on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

It is helpful to understand that.

I will ask a round-up question, because I do not think that anyone is asking about the financial memorandum as a whole. It says that, once things settle down in 2029-30, we are talking about between £20 million and £23 million a year. A big chunk of that is aftercare—I accept that you do not like that term—and some of it is for chairing and running the hearings; the third aspect is advocacy. Do you think that, overall, that is a reasonable figure, or it is seriously over or under the actual cost?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I will move to asking about money, profit and that side of things. Ms Burns, you made the longest of all the contributions that I saw on that issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I should add that you were thorough, so I will start with you.

First, do we have enough data? Do we know what profits are being made? What are your general thoughts on that? Are profits always bad?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Can you expand on that? Do we know why the provision suddenly appeared after not being spoken about beforehand?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Is it something that came from Wales or England?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Are all residential facilities inspected?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

Someone knows which facilities are good and which are bad.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I will come to you next, Ms Galli. You can probably give us the legal angle.

You, too, said in your submission that there should be no profiteering. Can you talk about that and explain whether the bill gives the Government too much power?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

John Mason

I am sorry to interrupt you, but are you recommending that we take the provision out of the bill until the issue has been studied more, or can we just go ahead with it?