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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

On the same theme, everybody whom we have heard from, including you, has said that they are enthusiastic about the idea of outdoor education. However, there were some differences within that. For example, the Association of Headteachers and Deputes in Scotland said in its consultation response that

“if £34m became available to school education, AHDS would argue for every penny to be spent on better supporting pupils with additional support needs.”

Other members will ask you about the details of the costs. On the question of priority, some people argue that outdoor learning is a good thing but that it is not the priority and that you might put the money into additional teachers for schools, expanding childcare, free school meals, free music tuition or a lot of other things. How would you respond to them? Do you see it as the priority? If you have £34 million spare—I do not know whether you have it; maybe you can tell us—would it be the priority?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

The parents who can afford it already spend quite a lot of money on children going on residential courses. Plus, schools do fundraising, which is seen as beneficial in some schools. If Liz Smith’s bill went ahead, those people would not have to give that money. Might a compromise be that the Government could create a pot to top up what is already being raised? A lot of money is raised by parents and schools. That would not need the bill, so I realise that it is a little bit off the subject, but is that a possible compromise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

So, even though that was a few years ago, you do not think that there is any reason to have a consultation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

It has been argued that a residential trip adds something more—seeing the teacher in their pyjamas adds something, compared with just everyone being in the forest for a couple of hours.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

Some of my questions have been covered, so I have just one left. I note that consultation has not been carried out specifically on the regulations. Is that because there was enough consultation previously around the 2020 act?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

Could the same benefit be achieved at a lower cost, perhaps by doing things more locally, rather than specifically having the five-day residential?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

We heard evidence that some children do not want to do a lot of outdoor stuff and would rather visit a first world war battlefield with their history teacher or something like that. We also heard that children from some of the islands, who probably have a huge outdoor experience already, would rather come to Glasgow and visit museums or football grounds. Do you think that that would all fit into the bill as it stands—obviously, it could be amended—or would the bill exclude that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

That is helpful. On a different subject, I am still trying to get my head around the letters, so could you explain PSNFL—public sector net financial liabilities—to me? I get that, if I was borrowing through a mortgage, you would look at my asset—my house—and the two would go together. In a sense, it makes sense to include financial assets, but physical assets are not included. I would have thought that borrowing money to build a road, a house or a school would be slightly different from borrowing to pay for teachers and nurses or other resource spending. Will you explain the logic of why that measure is used?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

I appreciate it that you have unpacked that for me. You mentioned three years and five years. I wonder whether you have an opinion on that. We are to have a spending review, which is for three years, as I understand it, although there is also the five-year forecast period. Is there a right length of time for those things? Three years is quite short. Should the spending review be for longer?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

John Mason

On another subject, the Government has talked about compensation for people who had infected blood and people who were affected by the Post Office scandal. Two quite chunky numbers are involved in that. However, you have made the point that defence and overseas aid aims are unfunded—there is nothing for what is coming along on that. I presume that, if there were changes to defence or overseas aid—areas that struck me were possible expenditure on rebuilding Ukraine or Gaza—that would be a one-off that would just hit us. None of that is really taken account of, is it?