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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

So perhaps it is impossible to have a financial memorandum.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

In some circles, social workers are seen as compromised and not really independent because they are paid by the local authority and, therefore, part of their remit is to please the local authority. Are the two roles not separate? The social worker tries to work out the best result within the budget, and the advocate says, “Well, this may not be possible, but this is what the young person really wants.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

As I said, that was just an aside.

Mr Savege, I want to ask you about something that you said a couple of times, which was about the danger of overlegislating. I wonder whether we could explore that, because I agree that we should not legislate in areas that we do not need to. If things work well, that is great, but even if 90 per cent of care-experienced young people have a good experience, how do we, as a Parliament, improve the system for the remaining 10 per cent without legislating?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Are they making too much profit?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Does anyone have those figures, or are we in the dark?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I think that Mr Berry wanted to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Do you think that dealing with fostering agencies differently from residential care providers is justified?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Would it be a concern if people started walking away from the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I think that we could spend longer exploring all that.

I will ask one final question. Is the financial memorandum fair, or do we simply not know? From what we have heard, especially in relation to advocacy and aftercare, we are simply not sure what it will, or might, cost. We are presumably fairly sure about the cost of paying the chairs, which is the other big bit.

I do not know whether you can give me a yes or no answer. However, this committee has to say whether we think that the financial memorandum is okay, whether we think that the amount required should be doubled, or whether we simply do not know.

What do you think that we should say, Mr Savege?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Is there broad agreement on that?

Yes, I think that there is.