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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Indeed. That is what I was thinking, too.

You suggested that, before an inquiry started, you could consult not just with the police, but with public bodies and anyone else who would be involved. Can you expand on what you mean by that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

The final issue that I want to ask you both about concerns the idea of who is satisfied with a public inquiry. Is it your feeling that the public, the victims, their families, or whoever is involved, or even the police, have been satisfied at the end of the public inquiries that we have had? I do not know about the Crown Office—it does not get satisfied, so to speak.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

As I said, Mr McGowan, you might or might not want to answer this, but when I put the same question to Lord Hardie, he said that he just would not do it if those were the conditions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

But if we say to judges, “You’ve got two years and £5 million to do this” and they all say, “We’re not taking part,” we are stuck, are we not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Right.

Moving on to other issues, I note, Mr McGowan, the suggestion in your submission that you could start the process as not a statutory public inquiry but that it could be turned into one later. I am interested in that concept. Would it mean a lot of duplication? Would the costs be higher in the long run?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

That is fine.

Mr Kennedy, you have listed in your submission the six public inquiries that are going on at the moment. Do you feel that the demands from those inquiries in relation to the questions that they ask and the information and evidence that they seek and that your members have to provide are just repeating stuff that is already in the public domain? Is time being wasted in going over things that people should already know about?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

I have a few points to ask about, following on from that. Is the fact that there was that delay and that you are having to redo forecasts to some extent in June causing you extra cost or work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

That is helpful. Perhaps related to that, paragraph 18 on page 7 of your forecasts document says that, when the UK gives pay rises, the level of funding that the Scottish Government receives depends on how those pay rises are funded. It says:

“Specifically, it depends on whether pay increases over and above the current UK budget plans are funded from new, additional money, or from existing departmental resources.”

Again, that frustrates me, because it is all so short term, but we are all trying to look at a longer-term plan. We are back to this living hand-to-mouth situation whereby we just do not know what is happening. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

That also applies to welfare. If increased welfare spending is announced tomorrow, we will not know that until the UK Government tells us. Would we expect to know that tomorrow, or would it be some time before we would know where that money was coming from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

My final point is on the 2027-28 negative reconciliation figure, which is £851 million. That sounds absolutely scary, because we have a limit of only £600 million or £700 million. That number will go up and down, though, and every other set of figures that we have mentioned, including those on social security, will impact on that, will it not? Is it correct to say that it is incredibly difficult to predict the reconciliation figure?