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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise (Staff Recruitment and Retention)

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

John Mason

Is that between councils?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

I will start with national insurance and the increase in employer contributions . Your report says:

“It is currently unclear whether the Scottish Government’s share of compensation will be based on the Barnett formula, or its higher-than-population share of the public sector wage bill.”

We seem to be a little clearer now on what is happening—I do not know whether you are clearer on that. It seems that, under either formula, we will not get the full amount of national insurance. Is that correct?

10:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

Thank you. You also mentioned the Barnett squeeze in your paper, which I will dig into just a little bit. In relation to this year’s budget, there was a surprisingly large increase for public sector pay in England of, I think, 5.5 per cent. Although we get the Barnett consequentials for that, am I right in saying that, with the Barnett squeeze, we do not get a proportional share and so, based on that, we cannot afford to give all our workers 5.5 per cent?

There is the separate issue that we might have more workers and they might be paid a bit more to start with. However, even if they were not, that 5.5 per cent increase in England does not allow us to pay a 5.5 per cent increase here. Is that a fair understanding?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

That was a very full answer, which leads on to about 20 supplementary questions. However, we can pin down one or two things. For starters, are the English departments for health or education getting fully funded for their extra national insurance costs, or are they also having to find some of that money from within their budgets?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

Fair enough. We have a choice here, but it sounds like there is a choice being made down south, as well. If the Department of Health and Social Care has to also fund GPs, it must also have a challenge with that.

You referred to the OBR’s thinking that the national insurance increase will push down wages. I get that for the public sector or for places with a fixed budget, but I am not sure why the OBR assumes that when it comes to the private sector. If you are running a restaurant that is very expensive—I believe the convener was at one last night—do you not just put another pound or fiver on your prices, and that will boost inflation and push prices up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

That is fair enough. If we just do not know at the moment, we will presumably find out in due course.

It strikes me that that is quite a big gap—between £500 million and £300 million—just because Scotland has a few extra workers. My gut feeling is that the UK Government is not fully compensating departments in England but, fair enough, we do not know.

You mentioned a few examples, such as the care sector. What about the case of general practitioners, for example, who most people would think of as being in the public sector? Am I right in saying that they are definitely not, in either England or Scotland, being covered for national insurance increases?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

That is very well put, thanks. That makes it quite clear.

I have another relatively minor point to ask about. My understanding is that the UK Government is planning to cut back on consultancy quite a lot. Consultancy can be seen as a bit of a bad word and people think that it is all a waste of money, but is it not the case that consultancy is needed, because neither the UK or the Scottish Governments has expertise in every single subject—they need to buy in expertise? Is there a danger that, in cutting back too much on consultancy, you lose expertise?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

John Mason

Thanks very much.

10:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

I would like to see the report before it goes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

John Mason

Convener, you have made quite a deal of the numbers and some of the other issues. Those aspects are worth raising, but I am not convinced that they are major issues. My experience of Disclosure Scotland’s PVG scheme, and of other schemes, is that a bit of paperwork is involved, but it is not a huge thing. If you are planning the report to be very critical, I would have problems with that and I would like to see it before it is approved.