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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

That suggests that everybody should be a charity, as we are talking about with fostering. Would that be an answer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Ms O’Brien, you said that you wanted to talk about profit, and now is your chance. Your submission says a few things. It says:

“organisations should not profiteer from children’s care”.

It also says:

“The ability for a Minister to put a profit limitation requirement on services could have catastrophic impact on our ability to deliver high quality ... care”.

Do you want to expand on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you accept that we cannot do that in legislation? That comes down to the culture and the relationships that you were talking about earlier, but the committee is looking at legislation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you see the fact that we are dealing with fostering agencies differently from residential care as a problem, or is that okay?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

You wanted to come back in, Mr Dunlop.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

I think that we are in danger of going over the same ground of discussing the culture as opposed to the legislation.

I want to come back to fostering. Ms Williams, you say in your submission that the average payment is £13,579 and that it varies by £34,696. It sounds as if, at the top end, it is quite a lot, but the average is—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

The payments vary a lot and you would like there to be a standard rate.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

My next question is about the idea that fostering agencies should be charities, which is similar but slightly different to saying that they should not make profits. Mr Forde, do you have any thoughts about that? Is it right to treat them differently?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Finally, on the financial memorandum as a whole, it looks as though the costs will build up and then settle down at about £20 million to £23 million per year in 2029-30. I would be interested in your thoughts. About a third of that would cover the extension of aftercare, a third would be for advocacy and a third would be for the children’s hearings system, which I think primarily means paying the chairs more. Are those figures realistic or are any of them too low?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

That is good to know.