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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

The Promise bill has also been raised. I accept that you cannot say exactly what will be in it, but I met Who Cares? Scotland last week and its big ask is that the bill should include the right to independent advocacy. Is the minister able to say anything on that score?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

That is fine—just as long as the issue is on the minister’s radar. The convener and I met a group of care-experienced young people from Wales the other week, and it appeared that they already have the right to independent advocacy. I am not sure whether that is exactly comparable with the Scottish situation, but that is what they told us. It will be interesting to see the bill.

I will move on to another sector. I realise that Liz Smith is here today and may want to raise points about her bill, but I want to raise this issue myself. The committee has been copied into a certain amount of correspondence between the minister and Liz Smith about her Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. The committee was very enthusiastic about the idea of residential outdoor education, but, for me, cost was the big issue. Could we forget about the bill and put some money into a pot that would top up the existing system? Is that an option? Ms Don-Innes’s letter of 10 June said that Liz Smith had to engage with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the trade unions, which seems an impossible barrier to me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Mr McGowan, you previously mentioned the independence of public inquiries and said that it is a bit of philosophical question, which I kind of accept. You also suggested that, if the terms of reference were sharper and more focused at the beginning, that would—or might—solve the problem. What do you think of the idea that, alongside that, we say at the very beginning—I take the point that this should all be fixed at the beginning, not halfway through—“We want this inquiry to take two years and it’s going to cost £5 million, and these are the terms of reference”? Would that take away from the independence of inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Yes, and yet it is the case for other professions. A teacher will have 50 minutes, or whatever, with a set of pupils, and they will do the best that they can in that time. As an accountant, I would have to do an audit within three months—or whatever it might be—for a fixed fee. Auditors are still—I think—considered to be independent. It seems to be possible to do that kind of thing, but it seems that when we get the legal profession involved, they do not like that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

You might or might not want to answer this—[Interruption.] Sorry—my microphone is not on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Could we pass new legislation on public inquiries that would override that act?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Somebody in an earlier evidence session said that there is a sweet spot when you have to question how much more money, effort and time is going to be put into the inquiry, and for what extra benefit.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Exactly. So, even if we expect more tax to come in, that does not help us in any way this year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Yes, but that affected us negatively. However, I presume that if it affects us positively, we will take the money immediately.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Okay. You were asked about productivity and capital investment, and I want to press you on that. Is it the case that any capital investment will inevitably help productivity, or do you look at where the capital investment is going? For example, if we buy a new train, perhaps people’s comfort improves and things are a bit more reliable, but, actually, it is still moving 200 people from A to B, so it does not really increase productivity.