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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I take that point. I am very much in favour, for example, of the fact that, as you will probably know, the Burrell Collection has been upgraded. However, by that argument, you could say that any expenditure anywhere will give poorer areas a boost, but it needs to be targeted to some extent.

I go back to your letter. One of the questions was about what would happen if, during the bid process or in spending the money, something untoward were to happen. You answered that to an extent, but what would happen if a bid came in and inflation—which is a bit higher and looks likely to remain persistently higher than most of us expected—took off? Would there be any extra money?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Dr Miles’s points about mortality and morbidity tie in well with my first question, which is for Professor Elder. I am not sure that I understood what you say in point D of paragraph 5 of your written paper:

“Consideration should be given to the relative priority of treatment for high morbidity-low mortality conditions (for example joint replacement for degenerative joint disease) and treatments for conditions with higher mortality.”

Are you saying that we should put more emphasis on morbidity than on mortality?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Do we as a society put too much emphasis on avoiding death?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

In people’s thinking, there is a little bit of a difference between what is law and what is just guidance. I was down in England last week, where the restrictions tend to be more based on guidance and, despite what Murdo Fraser said about people’s good sense, people were not adhering to a lot of that guidance. Therefore, it is too early to lift the restrictions. I agree that we do not want the legislation to be in place for any longer than it needs to be, but it is a little bit too early to change direction.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That seems to be another part of the issue.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

We continue to have a problem with misinformation and people who are Covid sceptic or vaccine sceptic. I understand that some of the data that has been produced has been misused, misquoted or twisted and, as a result, Public Health Scotland will not continue to publish some of the figures. There was an interesting article by Helen McArdle in Saturday’s Herald, which, to be frank, I struggled to understand. Will you clarify what the problem was? I think that it might have been to do with how the unvaccinated population is counted. Will you clarify why the data is not solid and why it is not being published?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I certainly remember that, when I was young, we saw the same GP every single time.

On a slightly different issue, the Scottish Intensive Care Society’s submission mentions resources, which is touched on in other submissions. It says:

“The health service budget is finite and was under resourced given the demands even before the pandemic.”

We have already mentioned preventative spend. Dr Miles, are you arguing that we as a society need to spend more on health? Assuming that we are not going to cut that money from universities or schools, are you arguing that that will probably mean higher taxes, or are you arguing that we should be using money differently and better in the health service?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I was not surprised to hear you say that it was a political question, although I should say that the statement that the health service is underresourced is political, too, and one of my jobs is to ask where you think the money will come from.

On a similar theme, I note that Dr Thomson’s submission talks about the need for extra beds, but with regard to the concept of preventative spend, a lot of people would say that we should give GPs more money and chop it off hospitals. How do we get that tension right?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Dr Shackles, does there need to be a shift away from hospitals towards primary care?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I will quote your paper again, although other witnesses might want to come in on the issue. Point B of paragraph 1 refers to the United States, and states that

“around one third of excess deaths may relate to non-COVID causes.”

My question is a more general one. Are there any lessons that we can learn from the United States, or from some of our closer neighbours such as France, Germany or the Netherlands, about how they have dealt with Covid and whether they have dealt with non-Covid cases differently during the pandemic and so on? Professor Elder, can you start?