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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I did not ask any questions about the instrument, because I really think that the measure is self-evidently a good thing. It will, I hope, raise revenue and help first-time buyers. It just seems absolutely the right thing to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

As I understand it, someone in Ayrshire who may need a particular procedure that cannot be done locally would go to Glasgow. In a sense, that system is working at the moment, so there may not be a lot of space for reform. You have mentioned AI. I understood from your submission and other papers that there is a bit of a barrier to some things because different health boards are doing things differently.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I realise that every organisation is different, and maybe Chris Kerr can explain how Registers of Scotland can manage that cut without needing any extra input. By contrast, Food Standards Scotland says in its submission that it just wants more money and more people. Could we just cut funding by 10 per cent for everybody? Would that work, Chris?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

What would that mean? What is it that the Government does not understand? It has flexed the budget successfully during the year in the past two years. One scenario would be that, if it was you and me personally, we would try to save money so that, if we have a bad year, we would have some savings. However, the Government effectively cannot do that, because we have a limit on how much we can save, and because there is huge political pressure against saving money, when all the parties want us to spend every single penny. I am struggling to understand what the Government is missing, what it is not doing that it should be doing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I do not want to keep pursuing this for ever. When the Government sets out the budget, should it also say how, if we were to get an extra billion pounds during the year from Westminster or for some other reason, we would spend that extra billion pounds or, if funds from Westminster or our tax revenues were to fall by a billion pounds, how we would save a billion pounds? Do you want it to be so specific that, at the beginning of the year, we say, “This is the budget that we’re hoping for, but this is what we would do if we didn’t manage it”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Although we might improve outcomes a bit, does public service reform basically mean cutting jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Paragraph 14 of your report says that

“the Scottish Government risks overspending against its budget”

but, legally, the Scottish Government cannot overspend against its budget or, at least, against its income. What do you mean by that? The reality is that, by hook or by crook, the Government has to balance its budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Do you accept that that is quite difficult for the Government? Even if it does emergency planning a year ahead, there is still a limited number of spaces where it can save money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

Yet, almost counter to that, if the Government does not make longer-term commitments, in a sense, it would have more flexibility. The two kind of go together. If it gave just one-year grants to the third sector, it would have total flexibility to stop those grants the next year, and yet the third sector is always demanding, or asking for, a longer-term plan. If we get a longer-term plan from Westminster, that would obviously help, and then we could have a longer-term plan that would help local government and the third sector following on from that.

Whenever we make longer-term commitments, such as on social security, that reduces our ability to be flexible, does it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

John Mason

I will go back to Mary Morgan and to some of the stuff that we have touched on about what is done nationally and what is done locally. One of the biggest public sector reforms in recent years has been the changes to the police and the fire service, which went from having eight local boards to one national board.

I do not expect you to answer all the questions, but how would that work with regard to the health service? Would it come from the health boards saying, “We want to join up with each other,” or does it need to come from the top, with the Government, saying, “We are going to put you all together”? Is there space for doing a bit more nationally or a bit less nationally?