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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Cabinet secretary, I gather that you were at another committee earlier, so you might have missed my question to Professor Jay. I will ask you a similar question, based on the fact that the Finance and Public Administration Committee has recently been looking at public inquiries and their cost effectiveness, given that some inquiries take an extremely long time and cost a lot of money. You said earlier today that you are keen on pace of change.

First, will you explain how the whole process will work? There will be a review involving Professor Jay. Is there a timescale for the review? Is there a budget for it? Is one of the options that there might then be a public inquiry?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

The wording is that they have to “avoid any unnecessary cost”, but that can mean anything.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Is the problem a measurement thing? Surely there has not been such a huge increase in additional support needs among young people—has there?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I am not quite sure what you are referring to. The Public Audit Committee has done some work on this issue, too, and I note that, in a letter that it wrote to our committee, it talks about

“a national data summit”

taking place

“this calendar year”.

Is that the event that you have just referred to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I think that I was there a bit before you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

It is also used to dealing with autistic kids. It is hugely impressive to have two staff to one pupil, but that does not happen in mainstream schools. The other angle to that was that we asked the staff at Donaldson’s whether they could go out and train some of the mainstream schools, because they have a specialism, but they said that they had never been asked to do that. What happens locally does not seem to be very joined up with the national facilities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

We will return to this, but earlier you mentioned judge-led inquiries. I think that, to date, every inquiry in Scotland has been led by a judge, but that is not the case in England or in other countries, where, sometimes, a specialist in a particular area can lead an inquiry. Have you any thoughts on that? Every time that we take a judge out of the legal system, the court cases all pile up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

So that has happened—fair enough.

The EIS, too, came out with something on Monday that talked about the level of ASN. I think that we are now up to 46 per cent in some places.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

The local authority might fund them, but that means that poorer families and less-educated families in my constituency cannot hope to get to Donaldson’s.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I accept that a lot is going on and a lot of good things are happening—that is fine. However, you said that some councils have their own special needs school. In my constituency, there are two, but I get a lot more parents coming to me saying, “My kid has not coped at nursery, but they are now going to put him in mainstream primary 1.” Glasgow just does not seem to have available places, and the feeling in Glasgow is certainly that you need to have greater needs in order to get into a special needs school than you might need to have in some other areas.

We need some kind of national plan. Either we get rid of schools such as Donaldson’s and let the councils do it all themselves, or we somehow enable or encourage councils or whatever to refer needy kids to Donaldson’s. I only know Donaldson’s and one that I visited a few years ago—is it called Falkland House school?