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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

John Mason

I want to take a step back. One of the reasons for the committee’s scrutiny is to see whether we can improve our system for dealing with a financial memorandum when we look at a bill. There was a particular challenge with the financial memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill because the costs were quite large. What tends to happen is that, when COSLA or the local authorities implement something like this, they suggest that it will cost a lot more and the Government suggests that it will cost a lot less, and we are left somewhere in the middle.

As a former councillor, when the smoking ban came in, I thought that considerable costs would be incurred, because council staff would have to go round all the pubs and restaurants, whereas, in fact, the ban turned out to be quite self-policing, which was good.

We originally thought that the number of kids in this age group would be 225,000, but the projection reduced to 206,000 and then to 184,000. That is quite a dramatic fall of some 40,000 children. Can we do things better at the financial memorandum stage or do we just have to accept that it will always be a rough guess?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

To continue on the finance theme, Colin Beattie asked you about a possible revamp of non-domestic rates. It is great that the committee has gone out to visit a number of sites, and I have picked up from some of the notes on that that quite a lot of retail businesses would prefer it if non-domestic rates were linked to turnover rather than to the value of the property. One of their concerns was that if they improve their property, the non-domestic rates go up automatically, which is a problem for them. Is that something that could be considered?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

But people are not going to cycle 20 miles home in the middle of the night, though, are they? They need a bus or something.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

Thank you, convener, and thank you for the opportunity to be at committee today. It is nice to be back.

Alexander Burnett asked about online sales tax, and I take the point that we are waiting to see what the UK decides about that. What powers do we have? Could we introduce an online sales tax even if the UK does not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

I take the point that it would be a major change to move away from property completely to turnover. However, would you accept that it is a bit strange that two identical properties, one of which has a huge turnover and one that has a tiny turnover, might pay the same amount in rates? Obviously, there is the small business bonus, but perhaps some kind of hybrid might be possible. I accept that that will have to be looked at over time. Given that 1854 was rather a long time—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

Yes.

On the quite wider question of costs, the committee picked up a number of issues on the visits that we made to city centres. For example, parking costs tend to be higher in the city centre than they are out of town, which is an advantage for businesses out of town, and an older building is likely to have more maintenance issues than a newer building in a shopping centre out of town. The cost of closing a street was mentioned in Hamilton, I think: if the local shops want to put on an event—special Saturday—they have to pay the council to close the street. The message was that they are facing a lot of extra costs by being in the city centre or town centre. Is there anything that we can do about that or is it just up to local councils?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

John Mason

Obviously, if people live in the town centre, that is great and there are no transport costs. However, there is another cost if someone does not live in a particular town and is working, visiting or going out for a meal there and the public transport stops fairly early, as they will have to pay for a taxi home or something like that. Is transport part of the means to revive town centres?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Does the member accept that, as with anything in life, it is better to be prepared? One can never be prepared completely for what will come up, but we all have car insurance and a variety of things in life to be prepared for events. Is the principle here not that it is better to be better prepared than we were in March 2020?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

I am interested to know how the commissioner would be involved. If he had to judge whether the use of the powers was “proportionate and necessary”, would he need to consider all the medical, scientific and other advice that the Government gets? Is that what you are arguing for?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Are you arguing that the local authority, which I accept is democratically elected, should be able to overrule the nationally elected Government?