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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2022
John Mason
Some of the external providers felt that they had capacity or could produce a little bit more capacity at a lower cost than the council could. There was a general comment that councils have a conflict of interest, because they are both providers—in one sense, they compete with the other sectors—and funders. Is there a conflict of interest?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2022
John Mason
We received data from 31 local authorities; what happened to the other one?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2022
John Mason
Right.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
Is that the case even if we do not know and we are just being honest with people about that? Do you agree with the previous comment that, if we are uncertain about some things, we should just be honest with people about that?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
We have talked a lot about communication, and I want to continue that with regard to the communication of uncertainty. We have had some advice from the scientific community that we should be very open about uncertainty, because that increases transparency and, therefore, trust. However, given that we have already accepted that getting simple messages across in all the different languages to all the different groups in society is quite difficult, I wonder whether that is realistic, when there is uncertainty, which there obviously is.
One example was the uncertainty at the beginning of the vaccination programme about whether pregnant women should be vaccinated. I think that the vaccine had not been tested on pregnant women and, therefore, a decision could not be made, so it was publicly said that that would have to wait. However, the message that many people took from that was, “Vaccines are dangerous for pregnant women.” Can you comment on how we deal with uncertainty? Perhaps Professor Pell could start.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
That is helpful. I think that all the witnesses have given a consistent message so far, which is good.
Dr Witcher, you have emphasised the use of words, and I fully accept that words are really important. However, I am a little wary about what you said about only using the word “protections” and not the word “restrictions”—it strikes me that they are both. If we were to only use “protections”, I wonder whether people would say, “You’re just putting a spin on it, because the reality is that my life is being restricted. I cannot go to visit my friends in London, for example.” My suggestion is, surely we should use both “protections” and “restrictions”, so that we are being honest with people.
In your written evidence, you also seem to be critical of the use of the word “vulnerable”. Could you expand on that? I am interested in that, because I have to say that we use that word in the Parliament quite a lot. We talk about people who are financially vulnerable, and we use the word in a health context and in a variety of other contexts. Could you comment on the use of words?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
That is helpful. I think that we are more in agreement than I thought we were at the beginning.
I want to move on to another subject. In its submission, the alliance talked about the idea of the third sector filling the gap, so I wonder whether that was a complaint. Maybe Gillian McElroy and Adam Stachura could come in on that. Is not that the place for the third sector? The public sector is largely lumbering and bureaucratic, and there will always be gaps. I see the third sector as being very good at filling the gaps. Am I right? What is your thinking?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
You do not think that it increases confusion.
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
That is a good answer—I might quote you on that.
I turn to Gillian McElroy, because I think that the alliance talked about the fact that we need more communication around long Covid. Are we in the same place as we were with vaccination for pregnant women, in that there is so much uncertainty around long Covid that now might not be the time to be doing a communication campaign?
COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
John Mason
That is very helpful. Thank you.