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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

You mentioned staff transfer, which is another issue that has been raised with us. Even among care staff working for councils, there will be a wide range of terms and conditions at the moment, and that range will be even wider when the third and private sectors are brought in. Where are we on the costs of that? I presume that, in the long run, the aim is to consolidate people’s terms and conditions so that they are more consistent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

With the college regionalisation process, it took quite a lot of time to align the staff terms and conditions and pay. Is it fair to say that that would be quite a major process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

My final question follows on from that. Many people are comparing the NCS with the NHS. The NHS has quite a mixed model because, in effect, general practitioners and dentists are private businesses. Is it that the kind of mixed model that you foresee as the way forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Can we at least assume that the minimum would be eight or nine care boards and the maximum would be 32?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

One suggestion that has been made has been that the IJBs or the health and social care partnerships could just take on some different responsibilities, given that the numbers might merge or vary a bit. That would save setting up new structures, with the inevitable duplication and staff focusing on what will happen to their careers, for example, that that would mean. Would simply using the existing structures not have been a cheaper option?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

It really means that, at least during the set-up process, we are going to have another organisation—the care board—on top of the existing ones. The suggestion seems to be that we cannot just switch other things off—the IJB or whatever—on the same day. Much as I am in favour of jobs for accountants, that means that there will be a finance director in the council, a finance director in the health board, a finance director in the health and social care partnership and a finance director in the care board. That seems to be quite a lot of duplication.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. On another subject, we have already noted that various people have raised the issue of VAT. I take your point that you are having talks with HM Revenue and Customs and other bodies and you will come back to us on that, but I want to press you on it a little bit more. The point has been made that a lot will depend on the type of legal entity that the care boards will be. Can you say anything about that? Is it possible to say that we will choose a legal entity that will definitely avoid VAT?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

I will build on some of what has already been said. On how much planning was done before the bill was introduced and how many care boards there will be, I imagine that the costs would be quite different if there were 32 care boards, which would match each council area, or eight or nine, which would match the health board areas as they are. At what stage is the thinking on that? Is that also a co-design issue?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

I am referring to the second-last page of your submission.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

Mr Freeman, you mentioned ethnic minorities towards the end of your submission. Can you say anything about the impact on ethnic minorities and how they are coping?