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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Was that mainly about England and Wales?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Does anyone else want to come in on that point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

The bill cannot cover that area as well, but I accept that it is part of the answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I would like to talk about money, profits and so on. Ms Wilson, you tell us that we should learn from the Welsh experience. What should we learn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Am I right in saying that Wales is a little less strict than us with regard to fostering agencies, which we say must be charities, and a bit more strict with regard to residential care?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

I have asked other people this question, but they have not been able to answer it; I do not know whether you will be able to. Is it possible to draw a broad line and say that people in private sector residential care get poorer care and people in the public sector or the voluntary sector get better care?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

One assumption would probably be that the lower-paid workers in the public sector are better paid than the lower-paid workers in the private sector. As far as I see it, that is money going to the children, because those are the people who are working with them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

It strikes me that we could set up a whole pile of bureaucrats and accountants who could study that, and all the rest of it. When it comes to capital expenditure—I have not asked about that; I do not think that I will—the local authority picture is often very different.

I move on to the fact that, under the bill, we are going to deal with residential provision in a different way from foster agency provision. The former will be not-for-profit provision; for the latter, the bill insists on the provider being a charity. Some of you raised that in your submissions, with regard to why that is the case. Are you all comfortable with that difference, or do you think that there should be no difference? Ms Wilson, you can start.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

Good advert—thank you. I will back that up.

My final point is about the financial memorandum as a whole. You have been asked specifically about advocacy and other things. The three big areas that are covered in the financial memorandum are extending aftercare, the advocacy service and paying the chairs of the hearings, which I am not touching on—we will assume that that figure is fairly fixed.

The committee will have to write a report. What will we say in that report? Will we say that the costs in the financial memorandum are definitely too low and should be double or three times as much, or should we just say that we do not know what the costs of all this will be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

John Mason

We do not know how much each one is going to cost, do we?