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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

John Mason

We will work on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Budget (Website)

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

John Mason

I am convinced that you are trying to keep costs down and not spend. There is a balance to be found between preventative maintenance and a reactive approach.

I stress that it is important that this committee understands that a project is going to take longer, because in effect the committee is pre-approving what would normally be a year-by-year budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

Given that some of the information is for parliamentarians, some is for experts in organisations such as Audit Scotland and some is for the general public, is it impossible to produce something that will satisfy them all?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

I have one final question. I get the point that has been raised by others that civil servants are speaking for ministers. As I understand it, the permanent secretary is also the principal accountable officer and has some direct accountability to Parliament, under section 14 of the Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000. I think that you mentioned that yourself, especially in relation to the economic efficiency and effectiveness of the Scottish Administration. Do you see any tension between those two responsibilities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

On a separate subject, can you say anything about workforce diversity in the civil service? I have heard the accusation—not about the civil service as such—that, because some parts of the public sector are so risk averse about favouring one group, sometimes there is not representation across the board. What is your feeling about the civil service in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

The figure on gender sounded quite good, but what about the gender pay gap? Do men still hold more senior positions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

I will build on questions that have been asked. I am interested in the point about communicating with the public, on not just the Fiscal Commission’s work but wider issues of tax and so on, in which it is difficult to get the public involved. I fully accept that you are a good communicator. Susan Rice, for whom I have a huge amount of respect, is also a good communicator. However, it is difficult. Should everyone in Scotland know about the Scottish Fiscal Commission? I do not think that that is the case at the moment. Should they know what it does? Where can we go with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

I think that you accept that there is a big problem. I get frustrated, because so many people—intelligent people in trade unions, business and elsewhere—keep demanding that we spend more on something while saying, “Where the money comes from is nothing to do with us.” I hope that you can play a part in getting people to think about both sides of the balance sheet.

You made the point that you are well connected in Scotland. You have been a civil servant. Some people might say that that means that you will not be as independent as someone who comes in from outside. How do you answer that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

I am interested in the concept of information, particularly fiscal information, being more understandable rather than us getting more of it. You wrote to the Public Audit Committee on the need to improve the accessibility of information about public finances more broadly. Will you say a little more about the way that you see that going?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

John Mason

Clearly, the committee now has a public administration remit that we did not have before. To be honest, we are still finding our way into that. Does the committee have a role in looking at the civil service and suggesting improvements or anything like that?