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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

You may know why I am asking you some of this. It appears that the SFC did not pick up that there were problems at the University of Dundee before the university told it about them. It concerns me slightly that the SFC is just sitting there, waiting for information to appear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

I just wanted to get a feel for how the relationship works.

From the colleges’ perspective, how is the relationship and how might it be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

You do not have to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

There is quite a lot in there that I could pursue with you. The extra money that the SFC is getting for this apparently new legal duty is not very much. I think that, in a full year, it is between £16,000 and £110,000. That raises the question—and I suspect that the colleges would raise this as well—of what it actually does with the information. You said that the system may or may not be working in practice. In practice, is it very dependent on universities and colleges giving it the information? Is it proactive at all? Does the funding council come into the universities at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

That is helpful. Thanks.

I just quoted the bit about the funding council having to “secure the monitoring”, whatever that means. There is also a bit about its being able to make recommendations and give guidance. Do you think that there needs to be something more solid in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Okay—thanks.

Professor Seaton, you said that simplifying the landscape is a good thing, and I am certainly in favour of that. Are there risks to doing that? The SFC’s staff numbers will grow dramatically. Will it be hard for it to get right the balance between the university-college side and the apprenticeship side?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

From some of the evidence that we have had, we get the impression that the relationship between Skills Development Scotland and business and industry has been quite good, but there is some nervousness in some circles that that will be disrupted. For example, the UK Fashion and Textile Association said:

“Historically, the SFC has been more focused around research and academia but if also taking over from SDS they need to hit the ground running in terms of being employer facing.”

Is there a concern that the SFC will struggle to have as good a relationship with industry as SDS has had?

Either of the witnesses can answer that.

09:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

On the risk-based approach, it is common for auditors in business and in all sorts of areas of life to focus more on risky subjects than on less risky ones. For starters, would the member not accept that that is quite a good principle? Secondly, can he tell us how many inspections there are at the moment, how many there would be under his plan and whether there is any costing of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Okay.

As I understand it, a lot of what you have been doing falls under your normal guidance practice, some of which will be put into legislation in future. Will that make any difference, or is it just a case of formalising what is already happening?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Ms Reid, are you as relaxed about that as Mr Seaton?