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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

That is helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

Yes. Where is the money coming from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

That is fair enough—I just wanted to raise the issue.

I also want to ask about the Scottish Human Rights Commission. Perhaps you or one of your colleagues can explain the figure of £300,000 for contingency in that respect. As I understand it, it is already getting a 4.9 per cent increase, and it is also requesting an extra 25 per cent, which would bring the increase to something like 30 per cent. That seems like quite a lot.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already. The convener mentioned the figure of £620 million, which was obviously in the budget. Since then, there have been two announcements from Westminster of, allegedly, £220 million—twice—to help us. In addition, the Scottish Government has found £200 million for business support and self-isolation. Will you unpack how all those figures relate to one another? Is there any overlap? Are some contained in others or are they all completely separate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

I want to clarify matters, for my benefit and perhaps for that of a few others. You are saying that the £145 million was definitely included in the £620 million and in the £220 million. We obviously cannot use it twice, so the difference is £75 million. I think that I get that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

Thank you. It is helpful to have those figures.

In her questions, Liz Smith made the point that you have spent all the money in the budget, yet you were able to find the extra £100 million, or perhaps £200 million, for business support. Will you explain how that happened?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

I want to touch on two areas. First, I note the proposal to increase MSPs’ pay by 3.4 per cent and staff cost provision by 4.5 per cent. Both increases seem quite generous, given that a lot of other people in the public sector are getting only 1 per cent. How would you answer a member of the public if they were to ask why MSPs and their staff are being treated so generously?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

I think that I am reasonably clear in my understanding, but my colleagues might come in on that point, too.

One element of the £620 million is the personal allowance spillover dispute. It seems as though that has been dragging on for quite some time, yet you say in your response to the committee that you are hopeful of a “swift resolution”. How solid is our expectation that that money will come in during the coming year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

I will move on to a different area, which relates to the forecasting of the Scottish Fiscal Commission and others. There is a challenge if the Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that the UK economy—and, therefore, the tax take—is growing considerably faster than the Scottish Fiscal Commission forecasts that the Scottish economy is growing. SPICe has given us some comparisons. The OBR is forecasting a 6 per cent growth rate for the UK, and the SFC is forecasting a rate of 3.8 per cent for Scotland. If we look at some of the other forecasts, we see that the Bank of England’s is at 5 per cent and the National Institute of Economic and Social Research’s is at 4.7 per cent, while the Fraser of Allander Institute’s is at 4.8 per cent for Scotland.

Therefore, the OBR appears to be a bit of an outlier in being quite optimistic about the growth levels, which could be causing our budget a problem. Do you think that the OBR is being overly optimistic, with the SFC being a bit more cautious?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 21 December 2021

John Mason

Can you give us a rough idea of the figures that we are talking about? How wide is the disagreement?