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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Right. We have given that area quite a good airing, so we will leave it—unless Ross Greer wants to continue on the subject.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Elaine Lorimer wants to come in.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Does Keith Brown want to come back in?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Would you like to aim that question at anyone?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
I have a specific question for you. We are talking about trying to reform or simplify the whole system, but the fact is that, by creating SOSE, we have just made things more complicated. How do we strike the right balance between having more organisations that are more local, more focused and so on and driving more reform from the centre?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Okay. That is optimistic.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Elaine Lorimer, you want to come in on that, but I also want to ask you a different question. You have twice mentioned that legislation required you to do certain things. Do we need legislation in this space to help organisations to work together—or whatever else—better?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
We might come back to some of those points around working with other bodies later, but I am keen to bring other people in at this stage.
Garry McEwan, your organisation is also quite a new one, in a sense, and you have been looking at your structures. Will you say something about that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
Good morning and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The first item on our agenda is a roundtable discussion on the Scottish Government’s public service reform programme. We have eight witnesses.
I welcome to the meeting Garry McEwan, director of corporate services, Food Standards Scotland; Stuart MacQuarrie, deputy director business services and transformation, NatureScot; David Page, deputy chief officer, Police Scotland; Chris Kerr, registration and policy director, Registers of Scotland; Elaine Lorimer, chief executive, Revenue Scotland; Karen Watt, chief executive, Scottish Funding Council; Anthony Daye, director of finance and corporate resources, South of Scotland Enterprise; and Kerry Twyman, director of finance and corporate services, Transport Scotland.
I thank all those who made written submissions, which we have been reading.
When you speak, you do not need to press any buttons; the gentleman up in the corner handles all the sound for us. We have around 90 minutes for the session and the plan is for it to be a free-flowing roundtable discussion rather than a more formal system. If either a witness or a committee member would like to come in, they should indicate that to me and the clerks and we will try and bring you in. We have not split the session into themes but, if a particular theme comes up, it would be good to stick with it for a little while before we move on to something else. We want the session to be free flowing but there are 15 of us around the table and so we do not want long speeches from any of the committee members or anyone else.
I will start with Police Scotland. Your paper was quite positive about the reform that you have already seen in the police force. You are welcome to say a little bit about who you are and what your role is, as well as sharing a few points about what you feel has been positive as well as any challenges that you have faced.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
John Mason
That is very helpful. Some of that was quite provocative, so members will come in on some of it.