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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

Another challenge that you have raised, which is especially relevant in a time of fiscal scarcity, is the question of making new commitments against funding existing programmes. At the present time, given that money is likely to be tight for the next few years, should we be holding back on new developments and emphasising keeping existing things going? How do we get the balance right in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already. I will go back to a general question and will start with Ms Congreve. Previous witnesses have suggested that the whole spending review is at too high a level and needs to be more detailed. What is your feeling on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

Professor Heald, you covered that area. The framework document talks about priorities and objectives. Am I right in saying that you argue that those are not the same things?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

Turning to another point, you wrote:

“Getting the balance of expenditures right is a challenge for all governments”.

When you talk about getting it right, are you arguing that there is a right balance between, say, health and local government, or are those purely subjective tastes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

But you would accept that, politically, it is very difficult not to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

As Ms Congreve suggested, the three objectives—if we can call them that—could rub against one another a bit. Do we need to set a priority among those three and say which is the most important out of child poverty, climate change or the economy and recovering from Covid?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

I would like to stick with Mr Smith on the issue of scrutiny. I am still trying to get my head round what should be in primary legislation and what should be in secondary legislation. Would you argue that, generally, the scrutiny of primary legislation is easier and better than that of secondary legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

To push you on that final point, if some powers are specific for Ebola and some for TB, should we not leave them until the situation arises and have them in the secondary legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

I declare that I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland.

Professor McKenzie Skene mentioned earlier—I am not sure whether she is available to speak or not—that there is a working group and that a review of wider bankruptcy legislation is going on. Having been on finance and other committees in the past, I know that that is quite a complex area.

My main question is this: should the bill touch on bankruptcy or should we leave it for the review to come, in due course?

I am not hearing Professor McKenzie Skene—I am not sure that she is there.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

We are spending longer on this piece of legislation as primary legislation, and your paper on post-legislative scrutiny is very critical of Parliaments generally—the Scottish Parliament is one that is guilty of not going back and looking at legislation enough. There is also the point about things being rushed in under the made affirmative procedure. It seems to me that there will be better legislation if we spend more time over it, think about it, and it is given a proper review, and that anything that is rushed in at the last minute will inevitably be weaker.