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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Environmental Fiscal Measures

Meeting date: 15 March 2022

John Mason

That is fine. There is so much in this that we could all be asking questions for an hour, which, presumably, the convener does not want.

There is another biggie that we have not really looked at too much this morning. You have talked about tax being neutral, and your idea is that we could take a bit off income tax or council tax, and put it on to something else, such as waste. A big issue that you mention in your report is fuel duty, and the fact that, when we fill up our cars, so much of the cost goes to the Government. Where do you think we can go with that? If we are giving all those incentives for electric cars, which do not pay so much road tax—they do not pay this and they do not pay that; I think that you even suggest that they should get cheaper parking—how do we compensate for that? What will happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Environmental Fiscal Measures

Meeting date: 15 March 2022

John Mason

I could ask more questions, but I will leave it at that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Environmental Fiscal Measures

Meeting date: 15 March 2022

John Mason

I note that, on page 37 of your report, you say that

“lower-income households”

will spend

“a higher percentage of their income on high-emission activities”.

That is a challenge.

Are you suggesting that we should just rename landfill tax, the charge on single-use bags and so on a carbon tax? Is that the idea?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Environmental Fiscal Measures

Meeting date: 15 March 2022

John Mason

Thank you for your really interesting input so far, Mr Blackburn. One of your conclusions seems to be that we could do with an overarching, simplified carbon tax. I hope that that is the correct phrase. Will you explain that to me? You said that it would have to be introduced at the UK level, but I suppose that we have an interest in that, too, and we can encourage the UK Government to do certain things. Would it be like putting VAT on everything, with a 5 per cent rate on some things, 10 per cent on others and 20 per cent on the rest? Is that the idea behind a carbon tax?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Environmental Fiscal Measures

Meeting date: 15 March 2022

John Mason

Your comment about changing people’s behaviour leads me on to my next question. Page 23 of your report highlights the single-use carrier bag charge and the Scottish landfill tax, and you suggest that, because an individual is paying 5p or 10p for a bag, that directly changes their behaviour. However, the Scottish landfill tax does not quite work that way. I do not pay for the damage that I do; the council has to pay a bit more in some vague way; and it might change my council tax, but it will not really have an impact on me at all.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

John Mason

Let me press you on that. I take the point that there are big inequalities between those who are better off than those who are less well off and so on, but within a particular group, whether that be the better off group or the less well off, did we put too much emphasis on Covid? Should we have been looking at cancer in richer people and cancer in poorer people?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

John Mason

Thank you. That is helpful. Mr Cowan would like to come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

John Mason

We lost you for a moment there.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

John Mason

I am sorry; I have to move on to somebody else. Mr Gowans would like to come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

John Mason

Thank you.