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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

I will leave it at that just now.

Another of the new sections is section 86G, which is about the review of regulations. We have had some evidence that that section is a bit vague. It says that

“Scottish Ministers must review the regulations”,

and then goes into more detail about a period of 21 days, and so on. However, it does not say what the review would entail. Do we need to be more specific? For example, do we need something about the review being published or whether a committee should look at it? How do you see the review working?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

I will move on to some of the other specifics in the bill. As you said, Deputy First Minister, a lot of the amendments that the bill makes are to the 2008 act. A couple of those are proposed new sections 86B and 86C of that act. The first talks about

“directly imposing restrictions or requirements”

and the second about

“indirectly imposing restrictions or requirements”.

I am toiling a bit to understand the difference. Will you explain why there is a difference between those two sections?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

I do not know about other members, but I am still struggling, I am afraid. I wondered whether the indirect provision could be geographical. Although there was a national restriction for everyone to stay at home, we found during the pandemic that different parts of the country were affected differently. To an extent, individual health boards or local authority education departments could then have a bit of freedom on restrictions. Would that be covered by an indirect provision?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

That leads me on to the final area that I would like to consider, which is remote registration of births and deaths. We did not have remote registration of births in the temporary legislation, but that is now being brought in, and you could perhaps say something about that.

We had some evidence that, for registrars and local authority folk, seeing people face to face can make a real difference. For instance, a mother registering the birth of a baby might be unsure whether to have the father’s name there. With vulnerable people who need help and guidance, that might be done better face to face. How will the balance be struck between continuing in-person services and encouraging or allowing remote registration?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

Are there enough safeguards in the bill to ensure that, if a local authority began to withdraw an in-person service, it would still have to provide it to some extent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I take the point that we could start anywhere in the circle and, if one or two people start referring more often to the national framework and so on, other people will catch on.

I was a bit surprised that the Parliament came out in a positive light. The Scottish Parliament information centre said:

“There are some good examples across all categories of organisation, not least in the work of parliamentary committees”.

Much as I respect SPICe, I have sat on a lot of parliamentary committees that have never—or hardly ever—mentioned the NPF.

Figure 3, on page 15 of your report, says:

“Parliamentary scrutiny recognises and values individuals and collective (whole system delivery).”

Where do we go in Parliament? Do you have any advice for us? Should we be using the words “national performance framework” a bit more in order to raise awareness?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

You do not want to give me a bad example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I have a question about where the NPF is working, or not working, and you might want to praise somebody, but might not want to embarrass somebody else. Can you give us good or bad examples of where you feel progress is being made, or where somebody is doing it well, whether that is a council, a health board, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

It does. We could spend a lot longer on this, but I will leave it there, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I confess that I am not aware of the Scottish Leaders Forum and exactly how it came about or what it is for. I note that the third sector is included, but the private sector generally is not. Can you give me some clarification on that?