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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Other members might want to come in on that point, so I will not pursue it.

I asked the Fiscal Commission about the emphasis on social security. Cabinet secretary, you have been asked about that. Social security will be protected—indeed, more money will be invested in the area. Will that have a knock-on effect? The concept is that, if we give people who are less well off a bit more money, they will spend it locally and it will quickly come back into the economy and boost jobs and, eventually, tax revenue. The SFC has said that it has not made that assumption. If we give more money to Scottish Enterprise instead, some of it might leak out to very highly paid people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

I have a few things to ask about. However, first of all, I want to say how much I have appreciated working with Dame Susan Rice over the years. I was on the Finance Committee before the Fiscal Commission was set up and was involved in that process. I have had a long-running relationship with the commission and Dame Susan and I have very much appreciated that.

We have spent quite a lot of time on inflation. On social security, the numbers are going up quite dramatically. It has often been said that if we give more money to people who are less well-off, that will have a secondary effect of boosting the economy, because they will spend the money in local shops on local goods and services. However, when people who are better off have more money, they might spend it abroad or on other things. Does that secondary effect come into the forecasts, or can we not really go that far?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Absolutely. That is a key point.

The reconciliation of £870 million sounds quite scary. However, previously we thought that we had quite a large reconciliation coming along but it turned out not to be quite as bad as that. Should that make me hopeful that, once again, things will improve, or are things very different this time?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Am I right in saying that, last time, even at the end of the year in question, we still forecast a more pessimistic position than turned out to be the case? It is hard to know in advance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

I take your point, Mr Brodie, that there is a difference between skills and education. However, are we sending too many people to university?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

That is a fair point. I am an accountant, actually. Perhaps the situation is not as simple as I was suggesting. The idea of graduate apprentices is an extremely good one.

You talked about aligning with the needs of the future, or words to that effect. I am not asking you to do it, but how easy is it for anyone to predict what we will need in the future? I presume that that is why we have the census—I will plug people completing the census today.

During my lifetime, or while I have been a member of the Scottish Parliament, in some years we have said that we have trained too many teachers, but in other years we have said that we have not trained enough teachers. The same applies to nurses and some other professions. Is future need incredibly difficult to predict?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

I was going to ask about that in a supplementary question. You have people in schools; I hope that you can assure me that they are working on this. When I speak to young people when I visit schools, I get the impression that many girls have just not thought about engineering. That is because of peer pressure or their families feeling that they should not go into those jobs. If you can show us figures that show that we are making progress, that will be encouraging. I get a bit despondent at times.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

I absolutely agree with that.

The other thing that I will touch on is the other end of people’s lives—early retirement. It can be argued that people retiring early—especially highly skilled people—is having a negative effect on the productivity of the country as a whole. I have highly skilled friends who are the same age as me who have already retired. Maybe I should be considering it, as well. Is that a bad thing? It provides an opportunity for a younger person to come into a highly skilled job. In terms of the national performance framework, we have other aims in society—for the environment, for example. People who retire early might voluntarily get involved in some of those things. How do we get the balance right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Skills Development Scotland

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

Thanks, convener. I think that I will carry on working for a bit longer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

John Mason

One of the comparisons that have been made is with the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015. I believe that the Welsh have a commissioner who can challenge the Government from outside. We have commissioners on many things already and I presume that we will have many more in future. What do you think about the idea of having somebody outside Government whose specific job is to challenge all of us on how we tie in with the national performance framework?