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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

I am interested to hear you say that, because it relates to my next, and probably final, point. I took the opportunity to look at the accounts of the University of Glasgow, which is where I studied. As at last July, its unrestricted reserves were £766 million and its total reserves were more than £1 billion. That is more than the Scottish Government is allowed to have in reserves, let alone what it actually has, and it is more than the university’s total annual income. I accept that the University of Glasgow might be one of the richer universities, but when it is sitting on so much money, how can you plead that we are not paying enough per student?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

Another theme that has been highlighted, certainly by COSLA but also by other people, is multiyear funding and having a bit more funding certainty over five years, say, to start with. The idea came from not just COSLA but the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, much of whose funding comes from local government and from whom we will be hearing later.

How would more certainty in that area make a difference? I am attracted to the multiyear model, but it makes things a bit inflexible. If Glasgow City Council awarded money to a local group or charity for five years and halfway through that period it was found that the group was not performing, there would not be not much room to change the situation. Do you have thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

You mentioned that the share of the total budget that local government gets has fallen from 34 per cent to 28 per cent. Would you and your colleagues argue that we should choose a figure—perhaps 34 per cent—and fix it permanently as the local government share?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

So maybe we should target our support more towards the other universities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

But, by your argument, surely we should pay more for a student at Glasgow Caledonian University than we do for a student at the University of Glasgow, for example?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

I might return to that point. I was interested in Daniel Johnson’s questions about what people think of the voluntary sector, because it covers an incredibly wide range of things. At one end, you represent what I would call the small charities that are wholly staffed by volunteers and get no public money; you also represent big organisations—Quarriers and so on—that get a lot of public money. Have some of the organisations in the sector become too dependent on public money? Presumably, they started off relying on donations, mainly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

Multiyear funding, which we addressed in the previous evidence session, too, is an issue at every point in the process—the UK Government gives money to the Scottish Government; the Scottish Government gives money to local government; and local government gives money to voluntary organisations.

If, say, Glasgow City Council could not guarantee a particular charity 100 per cent funding for the next five years but could guarantee 80 per cent funding, that would give some certainty to the organisation, which could then flex, depending on what else it could get. Would that be an acceptable compromise?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

Are you okay with that, Ms Rowand?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

One point that has come up many times—in fact, you have mentioned it yourself—is the concept of bringing in new policies and looking at what is already happening. Given that it looks like we will be fairly tight for money over the next few years, would you go so far as to say that the Scottish Government and local government should not make any new commitments or policies and should focus instead on what they are doing at the moment and try to do it as well as they can? Should we pull back on new initiatives?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

John Mason

Eileen Rowand, all political parties make promises at elections—both at council level and at a national level—and we all want to do new things. Do you think we should cut back on the new things?