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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

Fair enough—that is fine.

The committee has previously been interested in preventative spend. I fully accept that it is difficult to pin down what is preventative spend and what is not, but the Government intends to tag it. Will that make a difference to the figures that we see, or will that information just be included as an annex? Will that affect your forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

From your perspective, is there agreement on what preventative spend is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

Professor Heald has been mentioned. I was interested in some of his input, which I will probably ask him about later. He mentioned the fact that the UK Government is able to handle social security spending in a different way from the Scottish Government. He used the phrase “quasi-DEL”, which I think reflects the idea that, if the UK overspends a bit because services are demand led, that is fine—it can simply borrow a bit more—whereas, if we overspend, we have a problem, because we have a fixed budget. Is that a fair comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

Sticking with you, Professor Spowage, I note that, in its paper, the Fraser of Allander Institute talks about

“a significant underlying deficit of … £659 million”.

Can you explain what that means? After all, we have to balance our budget every year, so we cannot have a deficit.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

You mentioned global insecurity among those factors, which is a bit unpredictable—I certainly think that it is unpredictable. In principle, does inflation increase when countries bring in tariffs, or do tariffs just depress imports?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

Okay. Therefore, although the revenues seem to be falling quite dramatically, they could have fallen more dramatically.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

It could be quite a long-term process. As you have said, it could take 10 years.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

The UK, we believe, is moving towards having just one budget event—one fiscal event—every year, although the OBR will still produce two forecasts every year, if I understand things correctly. Will any of that affect the SFC?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

What about tariffs? Is there a risk in that respect? Do prices just go up if we put a tariff on American goods?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

John Mason

Professor Heald?