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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

John Mason

The final area on which I will touch is what happens if the staff transfer. There was a suggestion in, I think, the CIPFA submission that some staff might not be able to transfer under TUPE.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

My final question is about the investment zones that have been announced. My concerns about those kinds of things are that we lose tax, for one, and that existing jobs move from one area to another just to get those kinds of benefits. Can you say anything about the investment zones? Do we know anything about them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Is it your understanding that the UK Government had forecasts that warned about those things, but ignored them and went ahead anyway, or did it not even look at the forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

If housing associations are to build less, that will be a saving on the capital budget for the Government, presumably, because they will not be wanting the grants that they could have had?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Talking of capital expenditure, we had evidence from South Lanarkshire Council saying that, although we say that inflation is 10 per cent, 11 per cent or whatever, in some capital projects it was facing 30 per cent inflation. An example was in building a bridge, primarily because of the shortage of steel, which I believe comes from Ukraine. Do you recognise that kind of inflation figure and that it is different in different sectors?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

I have a few questions. There was a UK budget—I consider it to have been a budget, whatever it was called—without OBR forecasts. What is the risk of not having forecasts tied into the budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Following on from that, a number of housing associations were in touch with me over the weekend, especially in relation to this week’s Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill. However, before the legislation came up, they had already looked at cutting back capital expenditure in relation to new houses, because even before the rent freeze proposal, they were only planning a rent increase of 5 or 6 per cent.

One association told me that it is stopping all new builds. It will only complete what it is already doing and do maintenance. It was borrowing £40 million for new builds and it has now cancelled that with the bank. Will that have an impact on our capital expenditure, because that is not so much about us borrowing, it is about trying to help other people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

It strikes me as totally irresponsible to do a budget without forecasts. Is that something that the Scottish Government would be allowed to do or would even consider doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Mr Swinney, you and I both spent hours and hours and hours considering the SFC and how it and its forecasts were so important, we should consider whether it should be independent or part of Government. It absolutely amazes me that this has happened and that the UK Government did not take the forecasts into account.

You also mentioned interest rates. You focused on mortgages and so on but how do the interest rates going up affect the Scottish budget? What is the impact for us?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Longer term, we have a £3 billion limit, as I understand it, on borrowing for capital projects and we are at about £2.1 billion at the moment. How do you see that moving forward, or do you think that that £3 billion limit can be revised?