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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
Are the ones that were set up by the Government, or which operate under the Government, scrutinised? Can you say anything about how they are scrutinised within Government or the civil service?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
A related question is who will lead on any change and take it forward. You seem to be indicating that the Government would not lead on, say, giving the SHRC more clout if we went down that route. In that case, who should lead on it? It is easy to say that it should be the Parliament, but Parliament is made up of 129 of us, and we all look in different directions. Does the Finance and Public Administration Committee need to drive the issue forward?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
You come across as fairly relaxed about having a few more commissioners.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
Following on from some of my colleagues, I note that you have already stressed that it is for the Parliament to decide on new commissioners, and the Government will have a voice in that, albeit just one voice among others.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
One of our witnesses said that it was independence of thought that mattered most, more than whether a body was a Government body, a Parliament body or something else.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
I get that, but I was taken by your phrase “set the tone”. It is a good one, and I think that a public statement about restricting the number of commissioners would send a message more widely.
A number of witnesses suggested that the Scottish Human Rights Commission could be strengthened and expanded and that, instead of our having lots of separate commissioners, we could give that body a bit more clout and allow it to look at individual cases. There could be, as with, I think, the United Nations, a system of rapporteurs—that is, people who report; they could concentrate on children for a few years and then on, say, older people for another few years. It would mean that you would have one organisation covering all those topics. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
Okay—you are more relaxed than I am, anyway. I fully take the point, which everyone has made, that the Parliament has to decide on a case-by-case basis, but the question is: where are we going in the longer term?
Another point that you made was that the money saved from abolishing one commissioner or even all the commissioners would not be that huge. Again, I agree with that, but what if the number got seriously bigger? What if we got to, say, 50 commissioners? When I asked the previous First Minister whether he would be worried if we got to 100 commissioners, he agreed that he would, so I will now try 50. [Laughter.] Would you be worried if we got to 50 commissioners?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
Might be—or is?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
With a body such as the Scottish Fiscal Commission, which is more in our space, the committee meets its representatives regularly, and I think that the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development will be doing a review of it. Can you say anything about that? Does the Government review the SFC at all?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
John Mason
Let me put it another way: is there someone in the Parliament who could lead on that better than the committee?