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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Would that involve going down the private finance initiative route? We pay a lot more in the long run in that way—if the capital does not come from tax.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

We have concentrated on how we can raise more tax for existing expenditure, and I am sympathetic to that but, to be a little bit of a devil’s advocate, are there areas of expenditure where we could make cuts? For example, compared to the UK, is the Scottish social security system too generous? The previous panel told us that making up the difference is having an effect on other services. Linked to that, has the Scottish Government got too many priorities? Should we be trying to simplify things and just have fewer of them? What about the idea that we are being too generous in, say, giving the bus pass to everyone? Should we means-test and target some of that expenditure?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

I note that your paper states that the index per capita method is better than the comparable model, but are we not still left competing with England—specifically, with London and the south-east of England, which dominates the English economy—and, therefore, are we not permanently at a disadvantage?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

We have heard from various places that we need a better public understanding of how budgets work. We have discussed whether, in the longer term, we should have more taxes and more spend or fewer taxes and less spend. We get the impression that in other countries—correct me if I am wrong, but I am thinking about the Nordic countries—there is a public debate on that and public agreement that they want higher taxes and better public services. Do you think that it is possible to have that debate in Scotland or the UK, Professor Bell?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

Okay. That is very pessimistic.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

Is the idea of longer-term and multiyear budgeting possible under the present fiscal framework when we do not know what we are going to get year by year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

We have not really mentioned the fiscal framework, and the fact that it was agreed very rapidly, which was somewhat to the committee’s surprise because we expected a long, drawn-out battle. Was it agreed too hastily, Professor Bell?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

Professor Heald, do you want to comment on that? Furthermore, does the Scottish Government have too many priorities? That has been suggested to us.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

John Mason

Okay. Thank you. I assume that we are not getting 34 minutes each, so I shall finish there.