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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

I note that Ms Derrick has not responded so far. Did you want to come in on any of this?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

I take your point about providing the best outcomes for children, and you said in answer to a previous question that the process should not be resource led, but do you accept that we have to live within a budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Because your submission does not say. It gives the average and the variance, but it does not actually say what you want the payment to be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

That was going to be my next question—what would you like the figure to be? It is going up to £7.4 million in 2029-30. Should it be double that, or half again? Do you have any idea?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Mr Hogg, do you have something to add on that point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you think that the advocacy figure might be a bit on the low side?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Do you think that the bill is too vague? I am not sure if you were here earlier, but I read out the provision that says that the regulations

“may specify ... how the level of profit made by types of person ... is to be determined”,

which seems quite vague.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

Mr Dunlop, you said that profit is a distraction and that we want love, but we cannot put that in the legislation, which must deal with things such as profit. Is that fair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

John Mason

We could probably debate that for quite a long time.

Would either of the other two witnesses like to talk about the profit element?