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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Okay, thank you.

The other area that I want to touch on, as you have probably gathered, is about resources. In their responses, the EIS and the NASUWT have said that we need more resources in mainstream schools and special needs schools, so that there will be less temptation, need and pressure for restraint. Are you sympathetic to that argument?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

You tempt me to suggest that we should raise taxes, which I think that Mr Greer would be on board with as well, but I am not sure that the rest of the committee would be that keen. I will leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

For example, we get our papers five days before the committee meets. Is that similar at the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Could they not just say that it is not a going concern and get the accounts out in public?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Surely, they know that already.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Okay. We are a bit uncertain about the 2024 accounts. What about the 2025 accounts?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

I agree with that—it cannot be a one-size-fits-all approach. We will maybe explore that issue further.

You have already mentioned the idea of having a list of training providers, which you sound sympathetic to. We raised the question of some councils wanting to do more internal training, so that some people will presumably get trained up—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

There is a bit of interaction there.

The phrase “training needs analysis” has been raised, although I have forgotten the name of the witness who raised it. Perhaps that is what happens at the moment, but would you be sympathetic to the idea that every member of staff should themselves examine what training they need, given the situation that they are in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

Fair enough. That is helpful.

This might be a question for Professor Seaton. Some of my colleagues have asked whether there is enough consultation, but there is an incredibly lengthy process under way compared with what you would find in the private sector, and a huge amount of consultation and negotiation is taking place. In the private sector, someone would come in, make decisions and make people redundant. In asking this question I am not suggesting that I support that approach, but why are universities so slow? Mr Hamill, you were at Edinburgh university previously. It seemed to jump more quickly towards redundancies, saving itself from getting into a big problem. Does everything take such a long time because you are so dependent on the SFC?