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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

John Mason

There is something that I noticed in the programme business case that I do not think we got round to discussing on Tuesday. It says:

“Another key area of benefits resulting from the NCS is the possibility of efficiency savings.”

What kind of efficiency savings would there be? Does that involve the third sector and the private sector, too?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

John Mason

One of the answers that we had on Tuesday was that we would better understand unmet need, and I think that you are confirming that. I am a little surprised that we do not know what that need is. For example, I guess that some people who are at home need to be in a care home but that there is no budget or space for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

John Mason

Okay, so there are two different kinds of unmet need, in a sense: the one that we know about and the one that we do not know about.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

John Mason

Are the third sector and the private sector involved in that discussion?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

I have one other question about integration authorities. I note that VAT is mentioned. If money went directly to the integration authorities, would that create a VAT problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

This will be my final question. You mentioned the programme business case. Am I right in saying that the programme business case will be updated when there are significant changes? Will we see a new version every quarter, every month or every six months? How does that work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

If the chief executive or the board of the integration authority wants to stop doing something, to whom will they be answerable? Will the new national body, the health board or the local council be able to say no or veto them, or will they have to keep pleasing all three bodies?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

It has been suggested that integration authorities could amalgamate. Would that be an entirely local decision or would there be national input?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

We have not yet touched on the idea of integrated social care and health records. According to the papers, they

“don’t yet exist and as such will require major investment in their own rights”.

Am I right in saying that no money is set aside for those records, as there could be data sharing without them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

Are there even any rough ideas of what it will cost?