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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Pam Duncan-Glancy has covered quite a lot of what I was going to ask about.

In the SFC written submission, you say that you “target investment”; indeed, you have touched on some of that already. You have also mentioned the two universities that I was going to mention—Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland. The fact is that some universities—in the north-east, for example—do not have so many SIMD20 areas to take into account, and we have heard evidence that the heavy lifting is being done by other universities, especially those around Glasgow. Do you think that the balance is correct? You said that there is extra funding, but the core funding is still the same for each place, wherever the university is, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Fine—I will let you off just now, but I want to pursue the issue, because I have been thinking about it. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Another factor came up in our discussion with the Scottish Funding Council: just because of the volume of poorer households in a place such as Glasgow, we find that Glasgow Caledonian University and the University of the West of Scotland are doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Is it your view that they are getting enough support to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

I will pursue that with someone else. I will find the right person.

There have been a lot of arguments against using SIMD as a measure. I quite like it because it is clear cut—you can draw a line on a map. I take other members’ points that there are poorer people who are not in the SIMD20 areas and there are richer people who are, but the measure is quite clear cut. It keeps a focus on the wider areas, such as my constituency in the east end of Glasgow, where it is clearly not just one or two families who are in deprivation; it is a lot of people. As has often been said, a poorer household will do better in a better-off area than a poorer household that is surrounded by other poorer households.

Should we continue to use SIMD but add in other factors as well? I think that that is where the commissioner was going last week—that we should still use SIMD as a headline measure but bring in more factors.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

That is great—that is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

At the moment, the target is based on SIMD20.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

I do not want to go over the same issue again and again, but it seems to me that the problems with data sharing are not just to do with education—they exist across the board. During the Covid pandemic, we were told in the COVID-19 Committee that Scotland has some of the best data in the world but that researchers and people cannot access it. When I deal with individual constituents in my casework, I keep coming up against the barrier that organisations will not talk to me because they are so terrified of sharing something that they should not share. I do not know whether you can answer this, but is there a wider problem with the general data protection regulation? Has it gone too far?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Which Government minister should I put that question to?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

When it comes to targeting, do you take into account whether a university has deeper pockets, or are you purely following the student so that, if the student needs £X in support, it does not matter which university they go to? Glasgow and Edinburgh are very wealthy universities, but Glasgow Caledonian and others are not. Is that a factor when you fund?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

John Mason

Colleagues might want to return to that.

I want to raise one other area, which is completely different. If you cannot answer this, do not. On Monday evening, we met some young people from different backgrounds who shared their experiences, off the record. One issue that we picked up from some of the ethnic minority young people was that they were not aware of all the different options. They found the whole space to be quite complicated. They knew that if they got lots of highers, they could go from school straight to university, but some did not know that they could go to college first and then to university, or they did not know about the graduate apprenticeship programme. Does the SFC have any involvement in that, or is that not in your neck of the woods?

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