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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

I think that we would agree with all of that, but the question is who should be getting the training—that is what I am trying to pin down. Ms Sanger, should we be more relaxed about that at this point and leave that to guidance, or should the committee, in looking at the legislation, get into the issue of who gets trained for what?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

But on that point, Governments are not known for anything dynamic. Might it actually be detrimental to have a fixed list, as it might mean that new ideas do not get in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Ms Martin, are you broadly in agreement with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

That is great. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

You mentioned training as part of that, which leads me to my next question. As you possibly heard, we spent a lot of time discussing training with the first panel of witnesses—most members raised the issue. There was a suggestion that a little bit of training could do more harm than good, because then everybody thinks that they know how to restrain people and they jump in to do that. What is your view on training as a whole? Is bad training happening as well as good training?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

So the janitor and the admin staff would not be getting that training.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

We could probably go on all day about this; it is really interesting. Ms Leitch, do you want to add anything on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Training has been mentioned a few times, so I will try to build on what has been said and pin the issue down a bit.

Ms Martin, say, for example, that there is a secondary school in my constituency that has a unit attached to it for autism and other special needs, with the kids spending some of their time in the unit and some of their time in the mainstream school. Who needs to get training in that area? As I think that we heard from Ross Greer, we cannot train all teachers in everything.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Would you include, say, the school janitor and school admin staff who might happen to witness an incident, or would you tell them, “No, you do not get involved. You call an appropriate teacher”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

John Mason

Thank you. That was helpful.

Dr Webster, that brings us to the subject of who should be doing the training. One of the councils has argued that it should be allowed to do its own in-house training, with the idea that staff would then train other staff. Should there be a list of trainers?