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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Part 2 of the bill concerns late applications and will remove some options. Do you think that it is okay to leave the rules around the other applications as they are, or do you think that they should be relaxed or tightened up? I invite Mr Gass to comment first, followed by Mr Clancy.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Mr Shaw, do you want to comment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Okay. I am conscious of the time. Thanks, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

It almost seems to be the opposite of what we normally do in the courts, which is to assume innocence until guilt is proven. It seems that we are assuming guilt until innocence is proven. Is that fair?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Okay. Thanks.

Ms Young, if we throw in “good reason” and “exceptional circumstances” all over the place, will that cover all eventualities, or will it just make it all very vague?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

That is an extremely helpful answer.

I will move on to Ms Connock and widen out the question. We are asking whether the balance is right between value for money on the one hand and human rights on the other. Mr Clancy raised the point that, if the system was entirely voluntary, nobody would give any information. Are there enough safeguards in place? Do you have anything to say on that, Ms Connock?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Do our other three witnesses have any comments?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Would the counter to that not be that Social Security Scotland is built on different foundations? Given that it is meant to be a more caring system, does there have to be so much checking?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

That was helpful. Mr Clancy, do you want to say a final word?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

John Mason

It sounds as though it is not a lack of willingness on their part, but also that they are a wee bit in the dark. Sometimes we get announcements at Westminster that the UK Government will spend £100 million on X—it came up quite a lot during the Covid pandemic—but we do not know whether that is new money, in which case we get a share, or it is a reallocation of existing money. Is that part of the problem as well?