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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

Does Stephen Kerr accept that, although it is very easy to say that there is a problem—and we might all accept that there is—there is not a neat solution? Does he accept that, whatever we do in this situation, it will not be perfect? It might be a little better or worse than what we have at the moment, but there is no neat and tidy solution that ticks all the boxes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

Setting up a completely new body flies in the face of where Parliament seems to be going. The Finance and Public Administration Committee is especially keen on not setting up completely new bodies, as there is a considerable cost to that. Scotland is a small country, and we should surely be able to do things in a more simple way and have fewer public bodies rather than increase their number.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

John Mason

The member gives different examples, but we also have good examples in the form of His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland. Those are not legally separate organisations, but they are respected for their independence. Would he accept that it is possible, within one organisation, to have a degree of independence? A lot depends not on what is in the legislation but, as I think that we found with the SQA, on the people who are involved. If they perform, the system will work; if they do not, the system will not work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

They need to or they should?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I will pursue the work that other committees are doing that has a financial impact but does not come under the heading “budget”.

Along with Ross Greer, I am on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, at which—as, I am sure, you are aware—the University of Dundee has come up. We are looking at Dundee’s finances, although those do not come under a budget heading, and we will probably look at the finances of the university sector as a whole. Is such committee work not quite useful? It feeds into the wider public’s thinking, and the Government then ends up saying, “Oh, we’d better do a bit more for universities.” Would you say that some of the work, therefore, is more indirect? Professor Bell, I see that you want to come in.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

If I picked you up correctly, Professor Bell, I think that you were a bit critical of the setting of the 2024-25 budget, saying that it could have taken a longer-term view and been a bit more robust, especially because of the public sector pay issue that overtook events. I am interested in what the Government could or should have done instead of what it did. For example, should it have been a bit more up front and said, “Well, we probably will have to have a 5 per cent pay increase”? However, would the unions then just have wanted 6 or 7 per cent, with it becoming a bidding war? Alternatively, should the Government have kept money back? Should it have kept 5 per cent of the budget in a pot, unallocated, potentially meaning cuts elsewhere, so that, if things went wrong, that money could smooth things out? How would that have worked?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I largely agree with your comments. As Michelle Thomson and I have previously discussed, when we, as members of this committee, sit on another committee, such as the Education, Children and Young People Committee, we have a responsibility to raise the financial issues, because, frankly, a lot of our colleagues do not.

Following on from that, I have asked both the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the OBR about how they communicate with the public and experts. They both think that they are making progress and that the public—which probably includes MSPs—now understand the finances better. Do you think that they are making progress on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

I asked it about that. It had four extra people or something like that.

Professor Bell, is it necessary for the SFC to get into this space, given that the Scottish Government is, in a sense, under more constraint than the UK Government is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

John Mason

You are on “Good Morning Scotland” a few times a week.