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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

I presume that it is also about whether a college is making sufficient adaptations to fit its income. I do not know about colleges, but we certainly get the impression that some universities have been more agile and have reacted more quickly to the drop in the number of overseas students. I realise that that is less of an issue for colleges, but I presume that it is about both of those things. Do you think that the SFC is proactive enough, or does it just sit back?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Financial sustainability has been mentioned by one or two of the witnesses, so I will ask you about that. Section 9 of the bill states:

“The Council must secure the monitoring of the financial sustainability of post-16 education bodies.”

We were told that that happens at the moment; it is just being formalised. Paul Grice, does it happen at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

That is helpful. Thanks.

I just quoted the bit about the funding council having to “secure the monitoring”, whatever that means. There is also a bit about its being able to make recommendations and give guidance. Do you think that there needs to be something more solid in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

You do not have to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

There is quite a lot in there that I could pursue with you. The extra money that the SFC is getting for this apparently new legal duty is not very much. I think that, in a full year, it is between £16,000 and £110,000. That raises the question—and I suspect that the colleges would raise this as well—of what it actually does with the information. You said that the system may or may not be working in practice. In practice, is it very dependent on universities and colleges giving it the information? Is it proactive at all? Does the funding council come into the universities at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

It says “we believe”, which suggests that it is your view.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I am not arguing with that. I just feel that your evidence today and your paper are designed to undermine the bill and to paint it as being as awful as it possibly can be. For example, your submission says:

“we believe that the timelines for current reform means that any benefits or unintended consequences of this programme will not be understood for a decade.”

Surely that is overstating the case.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Does the cabinet secretary have any idea what Stephen Kerr’s proposals would cost in financial terms?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

One of my colleagues will ask you more about the committees later on. I was asking more about the general relationship.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Mr Yeates, if it is all more joined up, surely we are going to boost the Highlands and Islands more.