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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Do you think there is a role for SDS or the SFC to oversee the system or to get more involved?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Would you rather that I started with Mr Davenport?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

That is fine. The table on page 4 of the financial memorandum lists various figures and 2026-27 looks like being the most expensive year. The cost of the bill for that year is shown as being between £2.2 million and £4.3 million. First, I am interested in your thoughts on those figures. I know that we have already talked about the number of staff transferring, so that would be a factor.

Somewhat more scarily, the pension shortfall payment is shown as being between £1 million and £23 million. The financial memorandum does not even pretend that that is an estimate. It is meant to give an estimate but it gives only an “illustration”, as the authors call it. Can you give me your view on that? Then perhaps I will ask you about something else.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

I am sorry to keep interrupting you. You rightly say that pensions have already been touched on, but that is the figure that scares me the most because it is so big. My understanding of TUPE—and I have only a limited understanding—is that someone should not lose out when they transfer. They should be either the same or better off. I was a bit surprised by the suggestion that the pensions would be backdated as if the person had already been in the SFC for five or 10 years or whatever. Is that fixed or is that area uncertain?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

That is probably relatively smaller compared to the pension question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

I could probably go on, but I will leave it at that. Thanks, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Some people will definitely transfer, because 100 per cent of their job is in that area. Some people definitely will not transfer. Presumably, there is a grey area in the middle.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

That is helpful because that was my next question. I am interested in others’ views as well. Although the number of people involved is quite large, the money going into apprenticeships is much smaller. Is there a danger that, in the future SFC, apprenticeships will be sidelined?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Mr Campbell, you seemed to say to Bill Kidd that there was a bit of a danger in splitting up SDS. Is part of the answer to completely merge SDS and the SFC and so save on a public body? Some of us would quite like to see a simplified landscape.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Do non-university training providers ever go bust?