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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

I suspect not, but that is my opinion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

You would not do it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

That is fair enough.

Lord Hardie, you used the word “proper” in your response. I wonder about other professions: for example, a general practitioner has to assess somebody in 10 minutes. I accept that that is far too short. I am an accountant—accountants have to audit a company in, say, nine months. People in most professions—and in other jobs as well, such as the cleaner of this room—have a time limit and are expected to produce not a perfect result, but the best that they can, within that time limit. Would that not be a better model?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Okay. Dr Ireton, I will ask you the same question: is the inquiry process too legal?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Do you have three major points that the law reform committee would want to see changed with public inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Going back to the triangle of time, cost and quality that you mentioned, Ms Dunlop, we all understand the tension between those three things. For example, an inquiry might have been going for five years and give a fair picture of what has been happening. If it goes for another five years, we might get better quality but it is not that much better. Is there a balance to how far we go with quality? I said in my questions to the previous panel that people in other professions do the best that they can in the time available, but it is never perfect—whereas Lord Hardie wants to do a proper job.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Dr Ireton, you say:

“There is a strong case for greater use of shorter, focused statutory inquiries, which deliver thematic learning and policy recommendations within 12 to 24 months.”

That sounds quite positive—is it actually possible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

To an extent, we, too, have to choose who we want to come in front of our committee. There was some good evidence in writing that we are not going to have the chance to speak to people about.

If you cannot answer this, you do not have to, but are inquiries erring one way or the other? Are too many people coming who inquiries do not need to hear from, or are people being missed out who inquiries should hear from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

To follow on slightly from Michelle Thomson’s line of questioning, I note that, in the introduction to your submission, you state:

“We represent our members and wider society”.

I should declare that I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland; we have something similar, and over the years, we have had some debate about that, as there can be a tension between those two elements. Do you think that there can also be a tension in that regard for the Law Society?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

By having to pay for it.