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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

It is sometimes said that people go to university and end up with degrees that do not get them applicable jobs. Is the member looking at that issue, too, in his amendment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

Will the member give way?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

Mr Briggs says that his amendment is similar to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s, but he is talking about a—that is, one—trade union representative, which I assume would cover universities, colleges and apprenticeships. Does he not agree that there would need to be a representative for each of those sectors, because they are quite different from each other? Even the unions representing college staff tend to be different unions from those representing university staff, and I think that there have been quite large differences between them in the past. How would Mr Briggs respond to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

Is it not a fundamental principle of devolution that when we get money from Westminster, we can use it as we see fit? There would be no point in devolution if we just copied exactly what England did all the time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

Is it not the case that the Government has been quite clear that child poverty and the health service are two high priorities? That is where we have prioritised the money, and therefore, inevitably, everything else has to slide down slightly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

We are on the same ground on which I interacted with Pam Duncan-Glancy earlier. Does the member accept that we receive money from London that is not ring fenced, and that, for example, we do not have student fees here, so we need money to go into that sector? The Scottish Parliament chooses to do that, and his party, if it was ever in Government, might want to do it differently. The Scottish Government’s spending is absolutely transparent. It is audited and clear, and we can get information on what is spent. I suggest that there is no lack of transparency.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

I disagree with the use of the term “diverted”. Money coming from Westminster is not for a particular purpose. If, for example, we spend more on the health service, do not charge student fees or put more into the environment, that is not diverting money—it is just us making a different choice.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

In one sense, there is an argument for each of the proposals that the member has put forward, but am I right in saying that she is looking for at least six additional designated places—that is, a union rep for universities, colleges and apprentices and a student rep for universities, colleges and apprentices? Given that the board comprises between 11 and 14 people, would we not be getting things a little bit out of balance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

I agree that those who teach and work in the sector and those who study are incredibly important and, indeed, are the reason for our having colleges, universities and apprenticeships, but does the member not think that we must involve a fair number of people who are real experts in the field, who have studied or worked in it for years, or who are academics? Surely that group of people is pretty important, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

John Mason

Amendment 94 refers to

“a publicly-funded Scottish apprenticeship”.

Does that mean in the public sector? Would it mean that local authorities would have to provide any number of apprenticeships?