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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Of course. I sprung that on you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you. That leads me on to my second question. Everyone who has been involved in the discussions is looking for improved outcomes. That is what we are about. The issue is not about processes and legislation; it is about improved outcomes.

One criticism that, rightly or wrongly, has been levelled at the bill is that part of it replicates existing duties. Do you accept that criticism? Does it cause you concern that we are creating more legislation rather than sharpening up existing legislation or using the bill to do that, so that we get to where we want to get to and improve the opportunities for the young people in question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

I am not trying to put words into your mouth, but, for the bill to work, it would have to be accompanied by resources, and however it ended up, it would have to convince the workforce that it was going to make a tangible difference.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you all for your answers. Moving on slightly, if we had a national transitions strategy that was based on the best practice that we have seen—we know that there are some parts of the country where things work well—would that lead to a more consistent approach and far better outcomes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Does anybody else want to pick up on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

I accept that argument to an extent, but, with respect, the NHS and other entities will always say that, if we gave them more money, they could fix the problem. From what we have heard throughout the meeting, there are some cultural and systemic problems that need to be addressed outwith purely financial resource and what flows from that. Is that not the case?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

We hear you. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Good morning. If nothing else, the bill has brought all the issues that we are discussing into sharp focus. That is hugely important, but is the bill the answer? There are criticisms that the draft legislation replicates existing duties. Are we not in danger of simply further congesting the landscape when we need to make real change? If we accept that premise, the question is: if the bill was not in front of us, could we fix the problems effectively and, if we could, what would be the priorities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

I will take the questions in a slightly different direction. We have helpfully touched on the gap between the implementation of current policies, duties and intent and the experience of young people and their families. If the witnesses have other examples, we will be delighted to hear them, but I wonder whether we can look at the matter from a slightly different perspective.

I ask the witnesses to imagine that we did not have the bill in front of us and that, after I asked the questions that I have just covered, I asked what could be done to address the matter. What could we do if we did not have the bill? For example, could we ring fence the allocation of funds to support young people through transition? Could we address in some way the point that the transition planning process does not become mandatory until six months before the event? Would it help if we changed the language in legislation from “may” and “shall” to “must”?

Those are just three ideas that I mention for you to think about. I hope that you have many others. Let us imagine that we do not have the bill and are just trying to address some of the horrendous issues that we are hearing about. What would you do?