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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

The convener touched on some of this earlier, but I want to focus on the physical environments of prison settings and secure accommodation. Some people are concerned about people going to secure accommodation instead of a young offenders institution, but I do not believe that it is a soft option. I have visited Rossie and have been in the secure unit. For the benefit of people who think that it is a soft option, will you outline what is inappropriate about the physical prison setting for young people who have committed serious offences? What is it about the secure accommodation setting that deprives them of their liberty? Is it a secure and appropriate setting?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

I suspect that I know what the witnesses’ answers to my first question will be, but I am going to ask it anyway. What are your views on the definition of a “child” being someone of 18 or under, given your experience of dealing with that cohort? Laura, would you like to go first?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

What would 2,000 cases compare to currently? What percentage would that increase be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

However, you would obviously welcome such change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

This question is probably for Sheriff Mackie. Given that, as we have just heard, the bill is about changing our approach to 16 and 17-year-olds, is there an argument for introducing elements of restorative justice into the children’s hearings system, beyond what is in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

I have a daft laddie question. Can you paint a picture of what appropriate trauma-informed transportation is? Can you define it for the benefit of people who do not have an understanding of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Graeme Dey

Perhaps someone could write to us with that information.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Graeme Dey

I do not need to be convinced—I have visited one—but, when there are changes to the law such as this, there will be an element of the public that will want that reassurance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Graeme Dey

That is what we are here for—exactly.

I want to explore another aspect. If our witnesses watched our earlier evidence session, they will have heard that we considered inconsistencies in the experiences of 16 and 17-year-olds under the current arrangements, depending on whether they go through the children’s hearings system or the criminal justice system.

We explored an example in which two individuals of a similar age commit the same offences but one is dealt with through one process and the other person goes through the other. The first one, who goes through the children’s hearings system, could have been dealt with and have moved on to a much more positive outlook before the one who is going through the criminal justice system has even attended court, because of the delays. That is an obvious example, but are there other inconsistencies in the current situation that you want to make us aware of?